Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.

[DuncinToffee]

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I think it also depends on age as primary kids might be fine talking in front of each other but teenagers would be a different kettle of fish. I know most kids prefer the single sex aspect because they can ask questions they worry about. The About Boys podcast had teen boys saying they worried what kind of face they pulled when having sex for e.g, because they watch a lot of porn. I can't imagine them asking that in front of girls who don't tend to watch as much porn. I also think girls would be shocked to hear boys talking about choking them, because they don't watch porn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cydrdm94ylvo

Poor woman. This is not unusual these days, it seems. And young kids (yes mainly boys) are watching this.

Primary age are taught exactly the same things but the single sex aspect means they feel more comfortable about discussing them. Agree that may be cultural. Iirc that’s explained to the children at the start (of the sexual reproduction, puberty, body changes sessions in Yr6), so they know it’s not about Girl Things or Boy Things as such.

I also think girls would be shocked to hear boys talking about choking them, because they don't watch porn.

Does that not make it more important that it is being talked about by both sexes together?

It might be that some topics need to be discussed jointly - and those will mostly be about the relationship parts rather than the bodily functions parts. It would be perfectly possible to take a blended approach. Discussions about porn, the pornification of culture and male/female interactions are absolutely key, and both girls and boys could do with being face to face with the things the other sex think and feel. That would also help boys to realise that reality is not Andrew Tate. The thing is, all of this needs to be thought about and planned, not thrown out like another hand grenade in the culture wars.

I know, I did think that when I posted.

All I know is I don't want it normalised for teen girls just because boys are being sold it.

I think the worry about having the discussion would be it planting the idea in girls heads that some girls will do this, so they would be the "better" partner in the boys mind. Sadly we know that just it being in the area on porn sites has encouraged more and more women to try it (was listening to R4 and an American study about the damage it does to women's brains - testing on Sophmores who engaged in it regularly showed memory issues and more - still unaware of longer term effects).

I personally don't see the point in having porn available on tap. I think one day we will look back at this age and wonder why the hell we weren't all demanding action. Looking at the damage it does to men's brains I don't know why they aren't more angry about it too.

Genuinely don't know @Saucery. I do know that there was a problem at the local Catholic primary school (although this was years ago) where the Chair of the Parent Council was handing out leaflets in the playground telling them to tell talk to their parents saying that sex was wrong, or something as bad as like that He caused an absolute stramash because he was being completely inappropriate, let along completely misrepresenting what was proposed. The rest of my "knowledge" comes from SIL (and she also works in the education department of the local authority) and her experience of certain parents on the her kids' secondary school parent council who were trying to stop any real sex education.

So while there might be a diocesan standard, parent councils/individual parents can and do cause problems.

Idk @DuncinToffee. Part of me agrees with you. But part of me thinks boys would clam up. Which suggests that they know it is wrong but want to impress other boys in a single sex situation.

Maybe the best solution would be boys in one class, girls in another and both together on another session but covering the same topics? I'm very old but I'm sure I remember that only girls were taught about periods when I was having sex Ed. This was about 1984 when boys didn't need to know about such things iirc. I can't remember if the birth video was shown altogether but I do know that a couple of boys fainted in another class! 😬

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‘Maybe the best solution would be boys in one class, girls in another and both together on another session but covering the same topics?’

I agree with this

I think you put it well Pointy and I agree with you

I’m not suggesting that my MP is worried about his safe Tory seat but I came home to a letter addressed to the owner/occupier on naice paper in a naice envelope from his parliamentary office about a local non-issue that he is ‘dealing with’. He’s not. The county council are. I’m not sure what he’s actually doing other than criticising them and making sure everyone knows he’s being very helpful and doing everything he can. And sending a pointless letter to every house in the town.

I got one of those from our Labour MP last week. Not heard from him in years. And now this bizarre letter. Awful guy. But I’m sure his seat is safe.

Exclusive: almost one in three councils no longer confident they can meet even their basic legal duty on adult social care next year- according to new research from @LGAcomms that underlines scale of crisis facing sector 1/

I’ve been reporting on this first coming, then growing and now full blown crisis for 15 years and I feel like each time I meet ppl it is that bit more heartbreaking. Just sat w David Gower- 89-who is now taken for a shower just once a week, & social opps few and far between 2/

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Of course the best way to deal with this problem is to suppress the numbers of migrants willing to work in this sector and cut the amount given to local government to pay for services.

Of course the best way to deal with this problem is to suppress the numbers of migrants willing to work in this sector and cut the amount given to local government to pay for services.

You don’t have enough faith in the plan.

It’s not like not having enough social care leads to people being in hospital beds they don’t need which leads to people being stuck in ED because we can’t get them a bed which leads to cancelling electives to make bed space and ambulances queued up outside EDs which leads to them not being able to attend calls quickly. And lots of those things leading to people getting sicker before they get treated which makes their issues more complex and requires more time to treat.

Honest to God this government is an absolute waste of space whose sole purpose seems to to deliberately not solve problems and make everybody’s lives worse.

"You don’t have enough faith in the plan. "

This is true.

As is the rest of your post!

And front page of express tonight is all about the bonanza of pensions being cashed in early - so future pensioners will have even less money.

Is pensioners cashing in their pensions early a good thing?
Do they need the money because they are poor?
Are they economically inactive?
How will that effect social care in the future?

Express seems to be suggesting that they are using it because of the cost of living which doesnt seem as jolly as the headline suggests.

Keegan is struggling this morning

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Charlie Stayt: What evidence have you got that something inappropriate was used for under 9-year-olds

Gillian Keegan: "Choosing lots of different sort of genders & identities & seeing which ones of these are gender identities... the spectrum.. there are 72.."

Keir Starmer will outline the first steps he would take if his party wins the next election.

The most powerful argument I've ever seen for early sex education was from an abuse survivor. She said that at 5 she was unable to tell people what was happening to her because she didn't know what was happening. She just knew it was bad. She didn't have the understanding or the language to tell. Lack of sex education facilitated her abuse.

Sad but true. How fcked up are humans that we need to educate very young children about sex / body parts and behaviours, in case they are sexually abused by another human / to help them understand they shouldn’t be sexually abused by another human. 99% likely to be a man.

You do have to wonder if there are ulterior motives here.

I think that all looks good but how does it all dovetail with "tough spending rules"? Where will they be tough on spending?

A publicly owned energy company is a good idea. Nationalisation without having to pay the energy companies billions.