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Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.

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DuncinToffee · 08/05/2024 09:00

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5066068-thread-43-sunak-seriously-scapegoating?page=40&reply=135107360

Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.
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L1ttledrummergirl · 12/05/2024 10:48

Catching up with Kuenssberg- she has Zahawi on. I'm looking forward to her taking the opportunity to ask him about his tax affairs and lying to his lawyers.

I brought Biscuit

Zonder · 12/05/2024 10:50

Did it happen @L1ttledrummergirl ? I can't bring myself to watch her.

SerendipityJane · 12/05/2024 10:52

L1ttledrummergirl · 12/05/2024 10:48

Catching up with Kuenssberg- she has Zahawi on. I'm looking forward to her taking the opportunity to ask him about his tax affairs and lying to his lawyers.

I brought Biscuit

Why haste your time watching ? That's a few thousand woman-hours of effort wasted. You will emerge knowing less than you went in with.

BIossomtoes · 12/05/2024 10:54

SerendipityJane · 12/05/2024 10:52

Why haste your time watching ? That's a few thousand woman-hours of effort wasted. You will emerge knowing less than you went in with.

It’s always useful to see what the enemy’s up to. I love your previous passionate post, by the way.

itsgettingweird · 12/05/2024 10:56

prettybird · 11/05/2024 22:24

In case it hadn't been clear which it was the reference and inference was about those who still choose to vote for the Conservative Party as it currently manifests (and the pun is intentional Wink). It has explicitly sown itself to be the "nasty" party (viz, the recent proposed changes to PIP, sick notes anc, of course, the Rwanda Bill Angry)

There are (or were - many of them got kicked out the party) some Conservatives who are decent people, who just have a different view to me about how best to help the nation rather than themselves and their cronies Hmm

Personally, I still have a belief in societal responsibility and to help those less fortunate than me. Smile

Spot on

itsgettingweird · 12/05/2024 10:59

Saucery · 12/05/2024 07:32

I think they mean that children with SEN might be forced to leave fee paying specialist provision @Llamaramma . Which is another thing Tory shills are spreading liberally around on social media (not saying any particular poster is a Tory shill, just that that’s where that nonsense originates from).
I would love to see more suitable provision for children with an SEN across the board and funded by govt via adequate allocation for councils but we’ll have to wait and see if that appears in Labour’s manifesto with realistic options to pay for it. I’m absolutely certain it’s not making it onto any Tory list of things that matter any time soon.

Yep. Braverman is doing the same.

Nowhere does she mention (conveniently) that currently we've had pupils wait up to 3 years for specialist independent education to meet their needs under their watch.

itsgettingweird · 12/05/2024 10:59

Zonder · 12/05/2024 07:38

I would love to see more suitable provision for children with an SEN across the board and funded by govt via adequate allocation for councils

As a SEND advisory teacher working directly for the local council I couldn't agree more. I've been with the service since well before the Tory government started. The decline in funding and therefore the decline in what we can provide is tragic. And somehow people will blame labour.

Same here. Worked in special Ed since 2007.

First 3 years were an entirely different ballgame.

L1ttledrummergirl · 12/05/2024 11:11

Know the enemy.

She let him off very lightly, it was treated as a non event- just as expected.
It's beyond ridiculous.

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2024 11:45

Funding gap between State and Private under 14 years of Tory.

Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.
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DuncinToffee · 12/05/2024 11:49

I am going to assume that Kuenssberg didn't ask about the threats Zahawi's lawyers sent?

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LittleBowSheep · 12/05/2024 11:59

L1ttledrummergirl · 12/05/2024 11:11

Know the enemy.

She let him off very lightly, it was treated as a non event- just as expected.
It's beyond ridiculous.

Thank you for taking one for the team and reporting back on Laura's unsurprising avoidance of asking any Tory anything challenging. I seriously can't abide that woman.

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2024 12:22

He seemed to have been on LK to plug his book which would explain his creative writing resignation letter.

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pointythings · 12/05/2024 13:15

On a totally different note, I've just responded to the government's PIP consultation. Took me an hour and a half. I don't think they're going to like my responses much, but it had to be done.

itsgettingweird · 12/05/2024 13:25

pointythings · 12/05/2024 13:15

On a totally different note, I've just responded to the government's PIP consultation. Took me an hour and a half. I don't think they're going to like my responses much, but it had to be done.

Do you have a link? They won't like my answers either 😂

MrTiddlesTheCat · 12/05/2024 14:15

IClaudine · 11/05/2024 23:55

I think if you have been on this series of threads for any length of time, you will see that some of us feel that there are areas of Labour's policies which are a bit concerning.

But the Tories in their current incarnation are something else. It is not just us saying this in a Mumsnet echo chamber. It is their own MPs, past and present. I think anyone who votes for them at this point in time really needs to take a long, hard look at themselves and ask why.

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Let's not forget that Baroness Warsi (Consevative peer) described the current tory government as 'toxic, mad, fascists'.

SerendipityJane · 12/05/2024 14:16

One of the local Tory MPs has posted on Facebook stating a petition to keep bi collections weekly.

The first 86 responses I read were quite unambiguous in noting that it was 14 years or Tory rule that have got us here, with a few posters noting how provision for everything has evaporated. There was also a very strong realisation that the MP in question had fuck all intention of doing anything (what start now after 14 years) and the whole charade was a thinly veiled data grab for Tory towers.

My faith in my fellow person has been slightly boosted.

SerendipityJane · 12/05/2024 14:20

That domain is owned by Microsoft - a private US company - not the UK government.

And ..

This content is created by the owner of the form. The data you submit will be sent to the form owner. Microsoft is not responsible for the privacy or security practices of its customers, including those of this form owner. Never give out your password.
Microsoft Forms | AI-Powered surveys, quizzes and pollsCreate my own form
The owner of this form has not provided a privacy statement as to how they will use your response data. Do not provide personal or sensitive information. | Terms of use

I'd like an answer to that question before I commit my thoughts to paper.

Microsoft Services Agreement

https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=866263

Saucery · 12/05/2024 14:24

Every appearance by the Tory MP for my neighbouring constituency is greeted on FB by polite cynicism and an unrelenting barrage of questions about her voting record, her unwillingness to live in the constituency and her motivations for rocking up at the school/group/envelope opening in question when she has been invisible previously.
This is a dead cert Tory area that has had brief flirtations with Lib Dem in the past. I will be thrilled if Labour get it.

SerendipityJane · 12/05/2024 14:32

pointythings · 12/05/2024 14:24

I know how links work.

My point is your responses are still being captured by a private company outside of the UK, with no clear upfront statement about how it will be stored, used or processed.

I'm not saying that there are scams that work the same way, but there are scams that work the same way.

That form (which is harder to complete that the PIP form it discusses) seems to be an excellent way to get your opponent to waste a lot of time and effort for nothing,

At this stage of the game, the best consultation we can give this government is it's marching orders. And everything should be focussed on that.

pointythings · 12/05/2024 14:37

@SerendipityJane I've completed previous consultations and the use of MS forms isn't new. I agree that voting this government out is the priority, but life iksn't a zero sum game. I was asked for a link to the form, I provided it. Not to you, to the person who asked. No skin off my nose if you don't want to complete it.

IClaudine · 12/05/2024 15:36

I think it is worth completing if you can bear to.

If the Tories get enough of a negative response they might drop the ideas as it could cost them a lot of votes. If they drop the ideas publically before the election, that will also give Labour an indication of how things will go for them if they also attack disability benefits.

Also, as incoming government, Labour will have access to the consultation responses which again may give them food for thought about their approach to disability benefits.

Elodie9 · 12/05/2024 16:05

My Tory MP's facebook page says "Alan Mak MP limited who can comment on this post."
I've scrolled back weeks and weeks (as much as I can be bothered anyway ) and every self promoting post he has made carries this message.

SerendipityJane · 12/05/2024 16:50

If the Tories get enough of a negative response they might drop the ideas as it could cost them a lot of votes.

If you take it that there is no earthly way the Tories are going to win, then why even grub for those votes ?

I will repeat my observation that right now, the behaviour of Rishi Sunak does not suggest someone who thinks they are going to lose an election. Either because he really is high on his own supply, or because he has no intention of calling one.

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