Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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Nothing. Equally there’s nothing to stop that person going straight back again.

I know none of this will happen in reality, but it still makes me anxious as DH has PIP.

Will vouchers reverse his neurological condition and make him able to walk?

@dontcallmelen if you are around, hope you are OK.

The voucher thing is disgusting and is the great fantasy of the right. It always pops up in some form during a Conservative government and this the latest version of it.

The timing is dreadful. It's going to mean moving asylum seeking children and young adults weeks before they are due to take GCSEs, A levels and other important exams. For children who've already had to leave their homes at short notice and assimilate life and education in another country and a different language, it's nothing short of disastrous.

But hey, none of that matters compared with Sunak's need to get people on aeroplanes before the election.

It is desperate scrabbling to win back the Reform UK lot. I think all it does is further alienate moderate Tory voters. I hope.

They’re really going for proving their evil bastard credentials this week. And it’s only Monday.

They can't do that if there is a court-ordered injunction preventing removal.

So it's fine for Cameron to spend who knows what on a luxury plane, but disabled people can't be trusted to spend money wisely.

What I don't understand is that even with the Reform vote, they still wouldn't win!

I'm happy people in UK are kinder than I thought post Brexit, but very concerned at the levels of cruelty the govt are willing to stoop to to garner a few headbangers votes. Those same headbangers who are ripping the Conservative party apart and frequently get arrested. Why?

It was also fine for Cameron to claim DLA (which he was perfectly entitled to do)for his late son and not be paid in vouchers. Hypocrite.

Osborne tried something similar to this and got his arse handed to him over it.

@GoldenTrout - no. But I am guessing it will be hard to get a lawyer to get an injunction at all.

Thus proving once and for all that he cares not one jot about the safety of people crossing in boats, and he cares much, much more about placating right wing bigots. He's perfectly happy for them to put their lives in danger, so long as they don't end up in the UK.

A Tory MP posted something similar on Twitter and got absolutely roasted. They just don't learn, do they?

Difficult to see how vouchers could be anything other than more expensive for the government and less useful for claimants.

I think it's now technologically possible to do this however rather than pay directly to accounts. That is the difference; vouchers were a pain because they created more problems than they solved. However it's now possible to track spending very forensically and have separate digital accounts in a way that wasn't possible before. There will be a certain logic of "if we pay you this you must show us how you spend it".

It occurs to me it would be far quicker and cheaper to send the right wing bigots off in a boat...

Probably not easy, but I am quite sure that at this moment lawyers working in the public and immigration law fields will be gearing up to take challenges, as they did last time the government started rounding up Rwanda candidates.

Rwanda one day, people with anxiety and depression the next. It's performative cruelty week, isn't it? Sunak is obviously getting some heavy duty pressure from the right wing of the party.

I wonder whether, at any point, he will realise that actually the best way to retrieve the Tory party position is to stick two fingers up at them and say no, actually, we are not going to be that party, we are going to demonstrate some basic morality and humanity. He would be much better off getting the centrists back into the fold than the Reform-leaning nutters.

That would involve a spine though. I don't think we've seen that in the Tory party since Cameron wilted post ref.

Edited to say pre-ref - he only called the ref because of the bigots.

Have I remembered right that housing benefit used to be paid direct to landlords, but now is paid to the recipet to pass onto landlords, a reform that if my memory is correct was introduced by the Tories? Sure

Blockchain allows a two tier (actually n-tier) currency system. Where your money has worth less than theirs.

@SerendipityJane - yes! Technology will allow much greater scrutiny of how individuals spend. Banks use this tech already. It is a hop skip and a jump to apply to those who receive benefits: you will no longer need huge numbers of civil servants or investigators. AI will do nearly all of this.

The only question is degree. The Conservatives would like spend down to the last button. Labour? Who knows?

Taking control of Family Allowance away from the mother in the family was the thin end of the wedge for proscribing who gets a benefit. It should never have been taken away from women in the first place.

Rishi is playing a stupid game with Ireland, Northern Ireland and the Union and the stakes are high. The DUP while opposed to a sea border for goods would introduce one in a flash to stop refugees coming here. And Sinn Fein could make a case for it needing to happen to prevent refugees crossing into RoI.

Like the rest of the UK we have shit services, increased immigration and asylum seekers. We also have our bigots. A sea border preventing refugees coming to NI could be a vote winner for both major parties in Stormount.

But he's a desperate bastard with little to lose. And those are always the most dangerous of people

If I were in the Irish government I'd be joining Schengen and offering free transport to the border for 'tourists'.