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Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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DuncinToffee · 22/04/2024 08:58

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DuncinToffee · 28/04/2024 19:47

Just like before we took back control of our borders

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Zonder · 28/04/2024 19:49

cakeorwine · 28/04/2024 18:20

Speaking of 2019, can you guess who Chris Phip mention this morning when being interviewed by Kueensburg?

Who? Please tell...

Alexandra2001 · 28/04/2024 19:56

bombastix · 28/04/2024 18:52

But that cannot work; UK does not have to accept Irish domestic law. It can refuse the return immediately.

Thats my point, what will this cause? in terms of diplomatic relations with ROI and the EU ?

I guess it will depend on numbers, ROI saying 80% of new asylum seeker arrivals are from NI.... is that 10 or 2000 ?

Piggywaspushed · 28/04/2024 20:25

I just went to NI. Did not have to show ID once. I do acknowledge that I may not resemble the demographic...

Cheguevarahamster · 28/04/2024 21:13

Zonder · 28/04/2024 19:49

Who? Please tell...

Of course he panicked and pressed the emergency Corbyn button. 🕹

pointythings · 28/04/2024 21:22

I want an emergency Corbyn button now. If I'm ever in a boring meeting, I'll press it, and up he pops on my Teams screen!

BIossomtoes · 28/04/2024 21:22

pointythings · 28/04/2024 21:22

I want an emergency Corbyn button now. If I'm ever in a boring meeting, I'll press it, and up he pops on my Teams screen!

😭

HannibalHeyes · 28/04/2024 21:28

FFS! And politicians wonder why nobody likes them!

Police stopping an ambulance to let a politician go through.

https://twitter.com/leahdionne__/status/1784262242092941336

https://twitter.com/leahdionne__/status/1784262242092941336

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/04/2024 22:18

Cameron hired £42million luxury plane to fly around Asia. This is quite high on the list of things I’d rather my tax money wasn’t spent on.
Also do they really hate the environment?

https://twitter.com/LouisHenwood/status/1784685594649444597

https://twitter.com/LouisHenwood/status/1784685594649444597

Zonder · 28/04/2024 22:45

Cheguevarahamster · 28/04/2024 21:13

Of course he panicked and pressed the emergency Corbyn button. 🕹

Of course!

BestIsWest · 28/04/2024 22:48

Oops, wrong thread!

cakeorwine · 28/04/2024 23:10

Cheguevarahamster · 28/04/2024 21:13

Of course he panicked and pressed the emergency Corbyn button. 🕹

I was watching it with DF (who has his views on Corbyn). When Chris Philp said "And of course Starmer wanted Corbyn to be Prime Minister", I just said FFS.

He lives rent free in their heads.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/04/2024 00:05

SerendipityJane · 28/04/2024 19:18

how do a lot of asylum seekers get to NI? It is something of a mystery.

Do you need to show documents leaving the mainland ?

They are placed here. In housing, hostels and asylum hotels, just like the rest of the UK.

bombastix · 29/04/2024 08:28

Let's see shall we? The cynic within says you can take the Stranraer ferry to Belfast and then get past the open border. If that happens then Ireland are the backstop.

The UK and Ireland would need an agreement by treaty to do something else, and a possibility of a hard border. No one in Ireland will want a hard border.

Alexandra2001 · 29/04/2024 08:41

bombastix · 29/04/2024 08:28

Let's see shall we? The cynic within says you can take the Stranraer ferry to Belfast and then get past the open border. If that happens then Ireland are the backstop.

The UK and Ireland would need an agreement by treaty to do something else, and a possibility of a hard border. No one in Ireland will want a hard border.

Sunak wont give a stuff about an agreement, it will be confrontation "standing up for the UK" with the EU/EEC being the enemy (yet again)

Thatcher did, Bojo too

The comparison which he is making with France, is totally false, France tries to stop migrants, the UK (imho) has engineered this situation, why else would you send asylum seekers to NI knowing there is an open border?

Mel Stride did a little smirk when asked if this was a deliberately thing.... Sky's Sam Coates saying there could be a little upswing for Sunak having a row with the EU/ROI.

IClaudine · 29/04/2024 08:45

Yousaf is going to resign. What a mess for Scotland.

DuncinToffee · 29/04/2024 08:46

I heard Sunak on the radio news this morning claiming that Ireland proves his Rwanda place is working, I think it was a snippet of the Sky interview he did yeaterday., he sounded very tetchy.

Also Rwanda is about stopping the boats, refugees going to Ireland via the UK is not doing that.

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AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:52

cakeorwine · 28/04/2024 23:10

I was watching it with DF (who has his views on Corbyn). When Chris Philp said "And of course Starmer wanted Corbyn to be Prime Minister", I just said FFS.

He lives rent free in their heads.

My answer would have been "and you wanted Liz Truss to be prime minister"

I genuinely don't get politicians attacking other politicians for being loyal to their party. They know the score.

(Mind you I can't take Philp seriously after the "shaved afghan hound" thing)

DuncinToffee · 29/04/2024 08:52

Announcement later today Angry

Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People
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Bigcoatlady · 29/04/2024 08:56

Hmmm have they had their lawyers on this. Because if I was in government in Eire I wd be asking our border control to start setting up roadblocks on the Northern border to start checking lorries.

And there wd be uproar on both sides and it wd be very destabilizing but assuming the same racists live in Ireland as here plenty of popular support for stopping migrants.

And the Brits CD say BUT the NI Protocol says no hard border on the island and the Irish wd say aye but that's about goods and we're not checking the goods just for migrants.

And if you want to check if that's a lawful interpretation of the NI Protocol you'll have to exhaust domestic remedies and get a ruling from the Irish Supreme Court which will probably find this is a proportionate response to unchecked migration from the North as otherwise we cannot return these migrants to the UK. And then you'll have to appeal that to the European Court of Justice which was the thing you promised Brexit wd mean wd never happen and it wd be over your own fucking stupid immigration policy. So good luck with that.

DuncinToffee · 29/04/2024 08:58

From the Telegraph

Rishi Sunak's plan is for Vouchers instead of cash for Benefits.

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bombastix · 29/04/2024 08:58

@Alexandra2001 - oh yes I am sure any "discussion" with Ireland will be glacial. They will need a treaty with the UK to change this. They won't get one quickly.

Still I wonder if it's really an issue in figures.

bombastix · 29/04/2024 08:59

Bigcoatlady · 29/04/2024 08:56

Hmmm have they had their lawyers on this. Because if I was in government in Eire I wd be asking our border control to start setting up roadblocks on the Northern border to start checking lorries.

And there wd be uproar on both sides and it wd be very destabilizing but assuming the same racists live in Ireland as here plenty of popular support for stopping migrants.

And the Brits CD say BUT the NI Protocol says no hard border on the island and the Irish wd say aye but that's about goods and we're not checking the goods just for migrants.

And if you want to check if that's a lawful interpretation of the NI Protocol you'll have to exhaust domestic remedies and get a ruling from the Irish Supreme Court which will probably find this is a proportionate response to unchecked migration from the North as otherwise we cannot return these migrants to the UK. And then you'll have to appeal that to the European Court of Justice which was the thing you promised Brexit wd mean wd never happen and it wd be over your own fucking stupid immigration policy. So good luck with that.

But the UK would love a hard border! The Irish do not want one

SerendipityJane · 29/04/2024 09:00

DuncinToffee · 29/04/2024 08:58

From the Telegraph

Rishi Sunak's plan is for Vouchers instead of cash for Benefits.

Way easier to disappear money in "voucher" form than is is money form.

Pay Capita £1 billion to administer a scheme that actually delivers £1,000. I wonder where it all went ?

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