London Jew accused of "breach of the peace" by looking "openly Jewish"

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I'm gobsmacked by this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360

Absolutely appalling. The police are a joke..they should be protecting him if they think he is in danger - not arresting him! I'm so shocked by this.

Pops in

There's a quaint notion - obviously no longer applicable - that we live in a "social contract" with the state. Not in a specific "so why did this happen to them" way, but as a general guiding principle of society.

So (for example) we willingly give up the right to arm ourselves because the states end of the deal is they will ensure we don't need to be armed. And generally an unarmed population is safer for everyone (although obviously the US low gun crime rates are a challenge to that idea).

What happens when the state not only cannot keep it's promises - but has no intention of ?

Pops out

Sorry, how does this relate to a met police officer arresting a Jewish man, for looking 'openly jewish', who was simply trying to move freely around his home city -as is his right!

Disgusted doesn't even come close. The met are allowing this to happen. They have lost all my respect.

The fact that the Met police are breaking the social contract

If they can't protect this man, and are threatening to arrest him instead, then why should be let them police when they aren't upholding their side of the bargain?

So, the answer is to take up arms, rather than hold the police to account?

I didn't, and haven't, said that.

OK, so please could you explain what you mean? It is hard to interpret from your post, apologies.

You asked how it related, I explained. That doesn't make the opinions or thoughts in that posters post suddenly mine.

The member of Republic should have been allowed to write on his blank piece of paper. Republicanism is allowed in a Democratic Constitutional Monarchy. The right to protest is far more important than some people's rights not to be faced with the sight of people who disagree with Monarchy, and the right to free movement should be protected for people who want to walk around their own city just as much as people's right to protest, and above that of those who are so offended by the sight of a Jewish person while they are ' peacefully protesting ' thatvthey might be provoked into an assault.

I am so confused. I think I'll have to leave it there as my brain hurts.

Here is some more people arrested to prevent a breach of the peace.

Met police: 21 people arrested on King’s Coronation day to face no further action | Evening Standard

Did the police think the crowd would turn on them?

If the police think that a crowd could turn violent - then what should they do?

Should they protect the person from the crowd?
Should they arrest the people who they think might turn violent?
Should they suggest to the person who might be the target of the violence that they move?

Or should they do nothing and hope the breach of the peace does not happen?
And if it does, then clearly they haven't prevented it.

If someone is standing, wearing a t-shirt that might cause some to be violent towards them- what should happen?

If someone who is Jewish is by a crowd where it's clear that there are members of who could turn violent towards them, what should happen?

And if you have different answers to that, then why?

Poster A said something

You asked how it was relevant

Poster B (me) explained

You then decided Poster B (me) must think the same thing as Poster A, something I hadn't said at all

Its not really all that hard although you do seem to need a lot of posts explaining

Interesting article on "preventing a breach of the peace" and who should the police arrest

Anti-monarchy protesters arrested – an expert on what the law says (theconversation.com)

It's quite amazing how many people on this thread have missed the obvious.

Some people have been saying for months that these protests have a strong antisemitic streak and that British Jews find them frightening and concerning. The response has been that no, no, they're all just asking for a ceasefire.

So Gideon Falter tests that claim by turning up wearing a kippah and wanting to cross the road. He's not waving an Israeli flag or carrying a provocative placard. He's just 'looking Jewish'. And he's told that because he looks 'openly Jewish' he is in danger and will be arrested if he persists

Ergo, the protests do indeed have a strong streak of antisemitism and British Jews are right to be worried. Gideon Falter has completely proved his point.

A Jewish friend of mine said recently that you think antisemitism has largely gone away and then, whoosh, back it all comes. It is so fucking depressing.

Unfortunately, this comes on the back of the met saying a swastika should not be interpreted necessarily as offensive, that jihad and intifada are merely contextual...I could go on.

If the police can't police the marches and keep law abiding jewish londoners safe to go quietly about their business in their own city, then the marches should be contained.

He's not waving an Israeli flag or carrying a provocative placard. He's just 'looking Jewish'. And he's told that because he looks 'openly Jewish' he is in danger and will be arrested if he persists

He's not just told that by the police. Different members of the march reinforce that message by calling him scum, a nazi and threatening him.

Agreed

I'm all for peaceful protests. But if a Jewish person cannot walk past them without threat then they are not peaceful and should be banned/contained

I have/had Christian family members living in Gaza so I would quite frankly love to see a cease fire. But I don't see how making the streets of the UK unsafe for Jewish people to go about their day to day lives on is in any way going to achieve that.

YES to this x100

I'm all for peaceful protests. But if a Jewish person cannot walk past them without threat then they are not peaceful and should be banned/contained

Yes you can see the hatred just as he’s standing there and the protesters threaten and abuse him

Agreed

This.

Just to clear things up (😀) poster A was merely asking questions around a possible interpretation of the social contract. There was no suggestion within of any position one way or the other.

Ergo, the protests do indeed have a strong streak of antisemitism

Well to be precise (or is it exact) . one policeman on duty in London believed that

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The member of Republic should have been allowed to write on his blank piece of paper

That may be, but the comparison is not the same - Gideon Falter just wanted to cross the road, wearing his everyday clothes.

Many watching the video can see that just from the reactions of protestors around GF