London Jew accused of "breach of the peace" by looking "openly Jewish"

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I'm gobsmacked by this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360

But he was there in order to make the point that some people on the march are antisemitic therefore it was not their fault that they were antisemitic. They were provoked into antisemitism by his presence.

Thank you, I have seen that. I agree shouting 'Nazi' is appalling, but I have to say I don't see GF in that shot, so I don't know if the man is shouting at him. I don't dispute he may have been out of sight of course. It is a terrible way to behave and I hope the man was cautioned, if not arrested.

I have to say I don't see GF in that shot, so I don't know if the man is shouting at him.

It appears to be the same police woman dealing with the man shouting Nazi and the man shouting scum, and the man shouting scum is definitely shouting at Falter, so I think it's a reasonable assumption.

@noblegiraffe Yes, possibly. I certainly dislike people shouting like this, and it does not help the cause.

I think it's clear there are some people on the march - and in that video who are anti-semitic.

Gideon said he to walk across that street, through some of the crowd, to the other side.

There were members of the crowd who were anit-semitic.

The police were telling him that he could not do cross the road.

If a police officer is repeatedly telling you that you can't do something and you continue to ask for an explanation and to argue your case, and then try to do that thing the police say you can't do, then the police can take further action.

I found the woman at the end of the video shouting that the reports about the mass rapes on October 7th had been completely debunked pretty shocking tbh. Her refusal to accept facts that she doesn't like is pretty out there, but there are plenty of people on this thread who will argue endlessly that this video doesn't show any antisemitism because...

People should just be honest. They insist there is no antisemitism from the protestors on the marches because they don't want it to be true. It's inconvenient to them.

In the same clip there is a man looking straight at Mr Falter and saying in a threatening manner as he walks towards Falter;

"I ain't afraid of your f*ing people, I can promise you that."
"I ain't afraid of your people. That's right. You heard me loud and clear ..."

I can't imagine someone talking to a 'right wing talk show host' like that in the street.

If a police officer is repeatedly telling you that you can't do something and you continue to ask for an explanation and to argue your case, and then try to do that thing the police say you can't do, then the police can take further action.

Absolutely. Police should be able to enforce reasonable instructions.

I guess there's a discussion about whether it is reasonable to instruct someone based on their visibly Jewish appearance.

Personally I think it's good that the police were honest about why they couldn't guarantee his safety. People saying 'oh but those marchers don't have a problem with Jews' need to explain why the police who are policing the marches believe differently.

She came across as absolutely mad, a total frothing extremist. Yes, really shocking.

I don't think it's the police officer people have a problem with. It's the fact that the protests mean it's unsafe for Jews to be in London. The point is the frothing mob you describe, not the comments made by the officer.

The comments just reinforce what many have been saying for months - that the organisers of the marches haven't even tried to ensure their marches can be conducted safely as they allow anti-Semites and terrorist sympathisers to attend. Because of the marches, there are areas that are unsafe for Jews to go. And then you get people on here doing their very best to minimise how absolutely deplorable that is 🤯 People who will knowingly keep marching alongside these anti-Semites because they don't think it's a serious enough offence. It's absolute insanity.

I know some people on here seem to take offence to this idea, but Jews do matter too. Why is our safety less important than the rights of these people to protest? Why haven't the people who organise these protests taken the time to ensure they figure out how to exclude known racists? They've had six months in which to do so. Although actually, they've had a lot longer than that as there have been anti-Israel demonstrations going on for years. The reason they haven't yet figured out how to run a safe protest is simply because they don't care about the people the protests harm. They're quite comfortable with who they're hurting.

Antisemitism is rife and increasingly culturally acceptable in the UK

I am horrified. Israel overreacts because it doesn’t feel backed up. Jewish people don’t feel safe anywhere and who can blame them.

(not Jewish. Not religious. Religions terrify me)

I read about him, they then tried to ban him from going anywhere near the marches. He won obviously, I imagine the case caused a very severe raised eyebrow from the judge.

Perhaps should have banned anyone attacking someone pointing out that Hamas are terrorists, kinda points to being a terrorist sympathiser and shouldn’t be allowed to attend marches.

I think if the Jews on your “side” are safe but the Jews not on your side are not safe and can be attacked for wearing a yarmulke then you are probably an antisemite full stop.

As an ethnic minority if someone said to me “oh you are ok noicant, you have the right views” and then turned around and abused someone from my ethnic group for just standing there being visibly a member of my ethnic group then I’d be having a serious think about the company I keep.

He is well known amongst those that have been advocating for peace and an end to the occupation as a head of an organisation that has very contentious views.

I agree with PP that everyone and especially Jewish people should feel safe and that there is a rise in antisemitism (which ironically has been fuelled by the actions of NuttinYahu's govt policies in OT EJ and Gaza) and more should be done.

I also believe GF has lied, there are sizeable Jewish blocs in the marches, with 'visibly Jewish people' so to speak, so he was trying to goad.

He got his 15 seconds of fame to probably deflect away from babies with blown up limbs and direct the whole Israel vs Hamas as anti-semitic. We really need to stop overusing that term and conflating it incorrectly because its meaning will diminish and that is v dangerous.

Antisemitism is a very very real concern but we need to be careful how we use it so we know how to spot it quickly.

Had this been years ago, he would have won, but the prevalence of social media now, and the time stamps and different angles that many get to see mean that people are not too quick to jump to conclusions.

I think we should be focusing on the bigger issue here- finding a political solution that is feasible for all involved in Israel/Palestine.

does not feel backed up? You are conflating the government of which many Israelis disagree with btw, with people.

I am not the British govt.

Anyway, The Israeli govt is 'backed by' the USA, UK, Germany and others- not sure what you are talking about it.

Netanyahu is not feeling backed up??- IT'S PRECISELY because he knows he IS that he is doing this with impunity. He will not be held accountable, there are no repercussions and may well receive Peace prize if he decides to end the conflict.

He got his 15 seconds of fame to probably deflect away from babies with blown up limbs and direct the whole Israel vs Hamas as anti-semitic

No, this was specifically about the safety and freedom to move around on their city, of British Jews.
And he was met with abuse in person, and online, including your very unpleasant inference.

Antisemitism is a very very real concern but we need to be careful how we use it so we know how to spot it quickly.
Hm, well, yes.

There are people on this thread prepared to deny what Hamas did on October 7th, but it's the Campaign Against Antisemitism which gets called 'contentious'.

He got his 15 seconds of fame to probably deflect away from babies with blown up limbs and direct the whole Israel vs Hamas as anti-semitic. We really need to stop overusing that term and conflating it incorrectly because its meaning will diminish and that is v dangerous.

Wow, just wow.

I think we should be focusing on the bigger issue here- finding a political solution that is feasible for all involved in Israel/Palestine.

You seem to incorrectly assume that people aren't able to focus on two issues at once.

It's possible to both focus on Israel and Palestine and simultaneously on the fact that it wasn't safe for a Jewish man to cross the road at a protest without being called scum, a Nazi, and being blamed for the conflict and have someone threaten to follow him.

He is well known amongst those that have been advocating for peace and an end to the occupation as a head of an organisation that has very contentious views.

You know, I've looked at the organisations website and I'm struggling to see any contentious views, unless of course you think trying to stop anti semitism is contentious....

Antisemitism is a very very real concern but we need to be careful how we use it so we know how to spot it quickly

Is it me or is this a really weird sentence? I keep re reading it and it doesn't make sense

direct the whole Israel vs Hamas as anti-semitic
But Hamas IS antisemitic. It's full of antisemties, even if it has tweaked its charter to make it more palatable.

None of that post made sense. A constant presence of relatively low-level anti-Semitism (as in, no one died) should apparently be acceptable as otherwise we're just crying wolf 🙄 It's a bit like saying a woman shouldn't report her boss for regularly touching her bum because then no one will take a rape victims accusations seriously. Can't possibly use up all that goodwill we've been given, eh?

Completely odd. I wish people would stop vaguely pretending with their words that they're against anti-Semitism but then let their actions say otherwise by continuously attending marches alongside anti-Semites.

Apparently antisemitism doesn't include:

Calling Jews scum
Calling Jews Nazis
Blaming Jews for Israels actions by saying "shame on you"
Threatening to follow Jews
Calling Jews who are against anti semitism "contentious" for being against it
Claiming that hamas didn't rape anyone on October 7th

Because apparently if we call that anti semitism then we might not spot the "real" anti semitism

There is so much that's anti semitic in that posters words. They think that by saying anti semitism is wrong that we will miss the "but it wasn't anti semitic in this case, because this man was the wrong type of Jew so its all fine" that we won't spot their views

Who on the thread has denied what Hamas did?

Apologies, it was on the other thread I was following on this topic.

Someone had the nerve to claim that the mass rapes had been debunked. There was quite a long discussion about it.