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ParsonsPont · 14/04/2024 08:25

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:08

Differently, because we have an independent media.
Also, I suspect if we had been arming and supporting an extremist group, maybe responses would be more varied.

You mean like the US has done with Israel? And in fact with various other groups when it suits its agenda (check out Afghanistan’s history and how ISIS originally started by way of relevant examples).

LordPercyPercy · 14/04/2024 08:26

Israel need a taste of their own medicine. They are despicable. The sheer hypocrisy of people on here now worried for Israeli’s. Where is your concern for innocent Palestinian civilians who have been murdered for months on end?

There are people on this thread who have family in Israel. You are the hypocrite calling people despicable as you clearly have zero empathy for Israeli civilians.

lifeparadox333 · 14/04/2024 08:26

What annoys me greatly is the UK joins and the people don't even get a damn say about it!!! It's our taxes that fund their attacks and we don't get a sodding say in it! Not our problem we need to stay out of it! Esp when kids get caught up in it that want no part it's awful!

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:27

lifeparadox333 · 14/04/2024 08:26

What annoys me greatly is the UK joins and the people don't even get a damn say about it!!! It's our taxes that fund their attacks and we don't get a sodding say in it! Not our problem we need to stay out of it! Esp when kids get caught up in it that want no part it's awful!

I would hope that by shooting down drones, we prevented more damage being done to Israel - which may help temper any reaction.

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:29

ParsonsPont · 14/04/2024 08:25

You mean like the US has done with Israel? And in fact with various other groups when it suits its agenda (check out Afghanistan’s history and how ISIS originally started by way of relevant examples).

No need - I am well informed about the Cold War, Afghanistan, the Taliban et al. Thank you.
My point: it referred to a query from a previous poster, imagining UK reactions.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:30

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:29

No need - I am well informed about the Cold War, Afghanistan, the Taliban et al. Thank you.
My point: it referred to a query from a previous poster, imagining UK reactions.

I can imagine the UK reaction from some of our media.

Remember the Belgrano headline in The Sun?

Devonshiregal · 14/04/2024 08:31

cakeorwine · 13/04/2024 23:32

If a US Consulate had been attacked and US military personnel killed, we know there would be a response from the US.

What did the Israeli Government think would happen?

This is not gong to end well. It's just going to escalate an already awful situation

Isn’t that the same as Hamas going in a slaughtering, raping and beheading a bunch of innocent young adults?

why are people separating Palestinians from their leadership but not Israelis?

it’s all ridiculous and some how every man woman and child is being forced to “pick sides” and being accused either of bigotry or being a fantasist who doesn’t understand history blah blah blah if they say, you know…peace…would be ideal?

all this shit about nooo this person can’t live next to this person yet in our own countries we’re told we must open up, let everyone in and call ourselves a multicultural country. Why do we need to do it if they don’t? Someone please give me a sensible answer to this

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:31

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:30

I can imagine the UK reaction from some of our media.

Remember the Belgrano headline in The Sun?

Indeed I do. I also remember the reactions against the war as well.
I used to read about it every morning!

Laundrylaundryeverywhere · 14/04/2024 08:32

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:19

Look at how Thatcher reacted to the Falklands.

She had a very masculine approach to leadership though. She was low on empathy. Mostly it’s men that start wars.

What we need are empathic, compassionate and strong leaders. They are in short supply. More feminine traits in leadership and more valuing of more feminine traits generally.

FoxgloveGarden05 · 14/04/2024 08:33

Towerofsong · 14/04/2024 08:14

Shame nobody intervened when after Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas got into power and started firing rockets at Israel. In the first 8 years after Israel withdrew they shot 8,000 rockets or so and it continued from there. 20,000+ rockets or so from 2005 to Oct 6th.

Shame nobody intervened when the children who lived in Sderot and other towns near the border grew up traumatised under barrages of rockets and having 15 seconds to reach their safe rooms. Where were you then? Were you speaking up then?

Shame it was allowed to get to the point where every few years 2014 and 2021) Israel needed to go into Gaza to carry out operations to flatten Hamas' rocket launching capability.

Shame Israel was in a position where they needed to build the Iron Dome system to defend themselves against rockets from Gaza. It costs them £42,500 for each missile fired to shoot down a rocket targeted at Israeli civilians. It only costs Hamas £500 to launch a rocket, kindly paid for by foreign aid and Iran.

The aid workers - tragic and devastatingly sad but it was not believed they were aid workers at that point. The movements of the trucks, them deviating from the filed plan, and the Hamas terrorist standing on the truck firing were suspicious. The IDF and WCK even tried to call the aid workers first but they didn't answer. The investigation showed though that there was still enough reason to believe that there was a possibility the trucks MIGHT actually still be carrying aid workers so the attack should not have gone ahead. But those truck movements were really bloody suspicious. And its a well worn tradition in Gaza to use ambulances and aid organisations to transport terrorists and arms.

The Iranian consulate - I agree it was a very badly timed move and bound to bring reprisals from Iran. But having that group together in one place - at least one of whom was responsible for arming Hizbullah to fire rockets on Israel - was probably too good a chance to pass up. Incidentally it was a building in the embassy compound, not the actual embasssy itself. Not that it matters, it was still a diplomatic building but you may also ask yourself why the diplomatic building was being used to host a meeting of terror officials.

The aid workers were targeted deliberately. Israel has a habit of trying to get rid of journalists and aid workers. The figures speak for themselves. Journalists targeted despite wearing obvious press vests. It doesn't matter which country they are from ~ each one is a target.

The aid workers movements were already known to the Israelis as all movements have to be given to the Israelis in advance. They don't simply suddenly appear out of nowhere. A lot of information is handed well in advance to the Israeli forces including GPS co-ordinates. There was no gunman shooting from a car! Israel churned out their usual exuse when questioned about their targeting ~ oh, we thought there was a gun! This is coming from a country who has very advanced technology. All three vehicles were clearly marked as being aid vehicles.

The aid workers were the latest in a long line of people who have been deliberately targered by Israel. A cynical person might also suspect that it was partly to do with Israel wanting the WCK to suspend operating there.

lifeparadox333 · 14/04/2024 08:33

It's so hard, I do get irans retaliation after all Israel do not look good in this entire thing at all! Blown up an important building in Iran and I get the need to get rid of Hamas but it's seemingly gone much further than that. Palestinian people don't need Hamas nor do they need Isreal wrecking the place and taking innocent lives!!!

Wednesdaysotherchild · 14/04/2024 08:33

The UK should stay out of this - nor should we be wasting taxpayers’ money on this, it’s not our fight.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:35

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:31

Indeed I do. I also remember the reactions against the war as well.
I used to read about it every morning!

The popular media such as The Sun and The Mail would be calling for a reaction.

As would GB News and certain commentators on Twitter.

Iran has reacted to the bombing of its embassy.

Will Israel "accept it" or will it decide to retaliate for the retaliation ?

billysboy · 14/04/2024 08:37

I agree that we shouldn’t get involved in this

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:38

From Al-Jazeera

"The US president told the Israeli prime minister during a call yesterday that the US will not support any Israeli counterattack against Iran, Axios has cited a senior White House official as saying.
Joe Biden also told Benjamin Netanyahu the joint defensive actions by Israel, the US and other countries in the region led to the repelling of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.
“You got a win. Take the win,” the US president told Netanyahu, according to the official.
The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the US would not take in any offensive operations against Iran and would not support such operations, the Israeli prime minister said he understood."

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:38

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:35

The popular media such as The Sun and The Mail would be calling for a reaction.

As would GB News and certain commentators on Twitter.

Iran has reacted to the bombing of its embassy.

Will Israel "accept it" or will it decide to retaliate for the retaliation ?

Yes, and other parts of the media wouldn't.
Britain's press isn't just the DM and GB news! Many of us now, and back then, get our information from other sources. Varied opinions have always existed in the UK and I am glad of it.

PropertyManager · 14/04/2024 08:39

Notaflippinclue · 13/04/2024 23:20

Are people on here defending the Islamic republic of Iran - Jesus Christ

Israel launched a wholly disproportionate retaliatory attack on Gaza, destroying most of the buildings and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians because of an un-provoked attack by Hamas (and no doubt creating enough angry orphaned youngsters wanting revenge to make new terrorists for the foreseeable) and that's OK

Israel then delivers an un-provoked attack on an Iranian embassy (so hence Iranian soil) in a third country (Syria), killing Iranian personnel and we seriously expect Iran not to respond??

If Iran is attacked it will respond, that's how war works, Netanyahu is stoking the situation, he's a war monger and cares not about civilian life on his side or the other.

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:39

billysboy · 14/04/2024 08:37

I agree that we shouldn’t get involved in this

Too late.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:42

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:38

Yes, and other parts of the media wouldn't.
Britain's press isn't just the DM and GB news! Many of us now, and back then, get our information from other sources. Varied opinions have always existed in the UK and I am glad of it.

Obviously - but there would be a very strong calling from what is deemed "the popular press" to do something.

Different opinions would exist - but there would be a lot oi pressure on a Government to react to a deliberate bombing of an Embassy by a foreign power.

And we know how the USA would and has reacted in the past. Not wanting to look weak or else who knows what could happen next.

Towerofsong · 14/04/2024 08:42

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As is yours. But don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 08:48

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:42

Obviously - but there would be a very strong calling from what is deemed "the popular press" to do something.

Different opinions would exist - but there would be a lot oi pressure on a Government to react to a deliberate bombing of an Embassy by a foreign power.

And we know how the USA would and has reacted in the past. Not wanting to look weak or else who knows what could happen next.

I agree with you. Absolutely.
I just am keenly aware that the press in Iran will speak as one voice. I feel for the Iranian people.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:49

More Al-Jazeera

"The Biden administration has sent out a message: according to a US official, Biden told Netanyahu that the US will not participate in offensive operations against Iran directly.
Biden is clearly trying to push back on Netanyahu.
He has been very critical of Netanyahu before. Now, after the attack by Iran, he’s been much more supportive but behind the scenes one suspects that he’s being very clear about saying, “Don’t overreact”.
The administration is talking about using diplomacy and insisting it will not be directly involved. This is the Biden administration pushing back a little bit, quietly, while offering public support for Netanyahu."

MissyB1 · 14/04/2024 08:50

PropertyManager · 14/04/2024 08:39

Israel launched a wholly disproportionate retaliatory attack on Gaza, destroying most of the buildings and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians because of an un-provoked attack by Hamas (and no doubt creating enough angry orphaned youngsters wanting revenge to make new terrorists for the foreseeable) and that's OK

Israel then delivers an un-provoked attack on an Iranian embassy (so hence Iranian soil) in a third country (Syria), killing Iranian personnel and we seriously expect Iran not to respond??

If Iran is attacked it will respond, that's how war works, Netanyahu is stoking the situation, he's a war monger and cares not about civilian life on his side or the other.

Yes this sums up my opinion on the whole shit show.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 08:54

Jerusalem Post view

What does Iran's attack on Israel mean for the region? - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

"This may be the end of this round of conflict or the beginning of a wider war.
A statement from Iran’s mission to the United Nations seemed to presage both possibilities. On one hand, it said, “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”
But it then added, “However, should the Israeli regime make another mistake, Iran’s response will be considerably more severe. It is a conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime, from which the US MUST STAY AWAY!”
Israeli officials have also been noncommittal. “We have determined a clear principle: Whoever harms us, we will harm them. We will defend ourselves against any threat and will do so level-headedly and with determination,” Netanyahu said. Gallant said, “We are prepared for any further threats and are determined to defend our citizens.”

Iran attacks Israel: How we got here and what might happen next

The unprecedented attack is the most direct confrontation between the two longtime adversaries which threatens to spiral into a broader regional war.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-796901

MagicFox · 14/04/2024 08:57

All parties are avoiding a regional war. Iran used language that made it clear last nights attack was a revenge strike rather than a "gloves off" escalation. Regional war has so far been avoided.

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