Iran launches drones on Israel tonight. Is this very serious as in kickstarting ww3?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/13/iran-launches-drone-attack-against-israel

Indeed, @NigelHarmansNewWife - we will have to disagree. It's not a peace organisation. It's about profit, the centred power of Germany and France and the controls of labour, which is why Margaret Thatcher loved it - she just didn't like the control of Brussels.
A union for peace it ain't!
I think Hamas just have to obey their Iranian paymasters over the hostages.
I suspect many have been killed. I keep thinking of the baby hostage.
Iran have had a long term plan.

Just as I suspected, a whole load of posturing by Iran.

What would the US do if a foreign power bombed its embassy ?

We know there would be a reaction.

I do hope that the attack was launched (with clear signalling as there seems to have been last week) knowing that it would mostly be intercepted and knowing that it was targetted at a remote area so the leaders in Iran can say - look, we retaliated and we consider it closed.

That's my hope.

But the onus is on Netanyahu now. Will he be forced to react - and if he reacts, will Iran react?

Or will the US say - look, they retaliated for your actions. The attack was intercepted. Don't make things worse.

I'm not trying to find any excuses. Hamas has actually stated on numerous occasions that hostages have been killed due to the actions of Israel. It is obvious that bombing everywhere, despite supposedly not knowing where the hostages are, would result in casualties. The same with stopping basic provisions from entering. Hence why that has been flagged. Nobody can magically conjure up food, water, medicines etc so it stands that hostages would suffer due to this.

As for release the hostages, that should include release the Palestinian captives/hostages also. Last time around when there was a so-called temporary ceasefire and Israel released a certain number, they then went and captured an insane amount of Palestinian people. More than what had been released. A lot more. Including women, children, doctors, medics, journalists and so on.

Netanyahu has so far rejected quite a few ceasefire deals which would have seen the release of the hostages. The talks are being held by a third party with input from America, as usual. As for the compromise, Netanyahu has clearly stated he is not willing to make any. He wants to take over the running of Palestine as has been stated by him. It is nowhere near as simple as making compromises when Israel has been stealing Palestinian land and behaving in the shocking way in which they do. If only it were, then there would not be anywhere near as much death, maiming and famine which is prevalent in Palestine due to the bombardment by Israel.

From A; Jazeera

"There is a danger of miscalculation that makes this a very dangerous moment. The April 1 attack on the Iranian consulate in Damascus, Iran says that was an attack on its soil. It quotes the Vienna Convention from 1961 that says you shouldn’t attack any diplomatic premises, embassies or consulates.
The Israelis says that was a legitimate target. They point to the people they killed, which were top Iranian military officials, including two generals out of the seven fatalities.
It took Iran 13 days before it responded. Iran says that’s totally legitimate under the UN Charter. Article 51 of the UN Charter says nothing should impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a member state of the United Nations.
So we’ve had one complete cycle of this. We’ve had an attack and we’ve had a counter attack. I think the danger now is if it goes beyond this cycle, if Israel responds again."

Please do point out who is defending Iran. Saying it’s not surprising that Iran has done this after Israel deliberately bombed an Iranian embassy is not defending Iran.

That's exactly it. America's reaction has seemed to me to be rather hypocritical. They would react if it had happened to them as America has done in the past.

Qatar and Kuwait have stated that they will not allow their airspace to be used to attack Iran. I know US have bases there so I'm wondering how that will pan out if America becomes involved.

Exactly

The USA retaliates for any attack on its people by a foreign power.

Israel are alleged to have deliberately bombed an Iranian Embassy and killed several high ranking personnel.

They may have had their reasons - but what did they think the outcome would be? Did they tell the US that they were gong to bomb the Embassy?

Ask yourself - if a foreign power used its aircraft to destroy a UK Embassy and killed several personnel, how would our media react?

Differently, because we have an independent media.
Also, I suspect if we had been arming and supporting an extremist group, maybe responses would be more varied.

I think some of our media would be talking about "revenge for our lads"

...and some would be "why are we funding a nihilistic, antisemitic, misogynist, homophobic group such as this?"

Shame nobody intervened when after Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas got into power and started firing rockets at Israel. In the first 8 years after Israel withdrew they shot 8,000 rockets or so and it continued from there. 20,000+ rockets or so from 2005 to Oct 6th.

Shame nobody intervened when the children who lived in Sderot and other towns near the border grew up traumatised under barrages of rockets and having 15 seconds to reach their safe rooms. Where were you then? Were you speaking up then?

Shame it was allowed to get to the point where every few years 2014 and 2021) Israel needed to go into Gaza to carry out operations to flatten Hamas' rocket launching capability.

Shame Israel was in a position where they needed to build the Iron Dome system to defend themselves against rockets from Gaza. It costs them £42,500 for each missile fired to shoot down a rocket targeted at Israeli civilians. It only costs Hamas £500 to launch a rocket, kindly paid for by foreign aid and Iran.

The aid workers - tragic and devastatingly sad but it was not believed they were aid workers at that point. The movements of the trucks, them deviating from the filed plan, and the Hamas terrorist standing on the truck firing were suspicious. The IDF and WCK even tried to call the aid workers first but they didn't answer. The investigation showed though that there was still enough reason to believe that there was a possibility the trucks MIGHT actually still be carrying aid workers so the attack should not have gone ahead. But those truck movements were really bloody suspicious. And its a well worn tradition in Gaza to use ambulances and aid organisations to transport terrorists and arms.

The Iranian consulate - I agree it was a very badly timed move and bound to bring reprisals from Iran. But having that group together in one place - at least one of whom was responsible for arming Hizbullah to fire rockets on Israel - was probably too good a chance to pass up. Incidentally it was a building in the embassy compound, not the actual embasssy itself. Not that it matters, it was still a diplomatic building but you may also ask yourself why the diplomatic building was being used to host a meeting of terror officials.

I am sure someone could post a list of actions that have been carried out by the IDF and some settlers over the decades as well towards the Palestinian people.

This is where talking is needed. It's just been escalating for decades.

I agree.

Look at how Thatcher reacted to the Falklands.

OP you're thread title is a bit much. It's a topic that requires discussion but jumping straight to WW3 is needlessly sensationalist.

@BouncebackBetty glad you’re not my sister. Your sister is in a safe room but you think “Israel deserves this”? Another person who cannot see the difference between the State of Israel and an Israeli.

There is a whole board in mn about the Middle East with many threads containing information of things idf and Israel have done against Palestinians

Really? just as they acted independently over the Falklands?

Most of the printed media is in the hands of Tory supporting owners, the BBC is funded by the state & under threat of losing its license fee funding.
When a satirical 30min R4 show was deemed to be too far anti tory by a govt minister, the BBC promptly changed its output.

When Ch4 was seen as too left wing, the Govt threatened to sell it off.

Right now the media is portraying Iran as the guilty party and Israel as whiter than white, ignoring the bombing of sovereign Iranian territory & killing of its citizens.

Iran is by no means innocent but this cycle of violence has to stop.

Israel, at this rate, is going to plunge us into yet another ME war and all that will do for the people of the region & our economies..... remember Iran is not the weak 3rd country we might imagine, they have the means to put up a very strong resistance and are very close to having nuclear weapons.

Sadly - this is how it escalates:

"Iran warned Israel of a larger attack on its territory if it retaliates against Tehran’s overnight drone and missile attack, adding that Washington has been warned not to back Israeli military action.
“Our response will be much larger than tonight’s military action if Israel retaliates against Iran,” armed forces chief of staff Maj Gen Mohammad Bagheri told Iranian state TV.
He said that Tehran warned Washington that any backing of Israeli retaliation would result in US bases being targeted.
The commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Hossein Salami, also warned Tehran would retaliate against any Israeli attack on its interests, officials or citizens.
As of Sunday morning, Israeli officials indicated no decision had been made about an Israeli response to the Iranian attack, as an official said any potential response would be discussed at the war cabinet meeting"

Much the same as the people who cannot see the difference between Hamas and innocent civilians. It’s a different story when the shoe is on the other foot it seems.

What's them being Jewish got to do with anything?