What incels reckon makes a good woman:

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This is the list posted by a bunch of morons who should not be allowed the internet:

Loses weight after pregnancy
Low body count/dresses modestly
Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA
Waist to hip ratio 0.7
No trauma
Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink
Reasonably sized forehead/areolas
Can cook and clean
No single mums
No stretch marks
Open to labiaplasty
Has low iron levels
Can spell coconut with her waist
Not a feminist
Not moody during her period
Doesnt believe in starsigns
Doesnt nag

At first I laughed SO HARD - wtf does low iron levels even mean? But then honestly I started to feel sad and angry that this bullshit incel culture and porn is shaping young mens approaches to what women should be.

Its SO gross.

I should add - some of the red pillers and mgtows with those views had had bad experiences with women, but from what I could see that was because they chose women 100% on looks, paid no attention to character etc whatsoever. They therefore sometimes ended up with unstable etc women.

So they are victims of their own utter shallowness, but they never see that.

I spent some years on a male oriented website and received various death and rape threats. For all the nastiness, I've never had that on here. They also told me I must be incredibly fat, and both a slut and physically repulsive to men.

Some were nice, I'm real life friends now with a couple of them. Definite tone of frustration though, and anger that the world and women were not working towards their desires, plus a sense of needing to "correct" women...a kind of assumed authority even though they were thick as shit. I've had the same vibe off a number of posters on here too.

It's because incels truly believe they/men are oppressed by women. Why? Because women are gate holders of sex. The buck stops with women. It's their fault.

Here.

I resent wasting 2 minutes of my life doing the research for you, you could have easily done it yourself.

Its that "able enough to need minimal support, not able enough to escape vulnerability" which in my personal experience is the men most likely to be a problem for women.

All men are a probiem for the autistic women who are "able enough to need minimal support, not able enough to escape vulnerability". The problem is how all men are socialised, not just the autistic ones.

I am glad that you are trying to raise your son to respect women's boundaries.

Can someone explain, are these list of women someone they want to marry and be good to? Or just to sleep with? I do not understand why these premium women would just go with anyone? Wouldn’t the premium women be interested in their counterparts and have a list too?

Even in nature the female animal goes for the best genetic mate.

It is not based on reality. I think these guys are jealous that they are not a chad. However they do not want to fight the chad, so they take it out on women. In nature if you want to be an alpha, your genes need to be strong and healthy and be prepared to fight the other males. Tons of circling incels in nature. It’s literally natural and how the best genes pass on and the worse ones do not get to.

This !! got this all the time as a young woman in London. Daughter gets it now. I used to think- Would you like your sister or mum to be talked to like this? Would you expect her to maintain her boundaries and ignore you? Yes, because ultimately you know you are being a pig but it’s to someone else’s family so who cares…

Exactly! The correct term is something like unfuckables/undateables/angry losers with whom no one is willing to engage, etc

I've watched documentarys on incels. They seem preoccupied with their looks. Vast majority are totally normal looking average guys....ok they might not be male models and they might not be able to pull the most stunning women but looks wise they're in the realm of normal and could get a girlfriend if they just worked on their personalities and confidence.

I was going to say the same things, but was too scared as didn't think anybody would agree with me. Also, why are they obsessed with being seen as an alpha male? I like men being unique individuals with their own personalities, and not a category.

I've never seen the extreme kind of anger towards women until I came into contact with USA culture. I know men and women tease each other in Europe and of course there's domestic violence, but what I've seen from USA men is more like the kind of anger you get from s erial k illers. USA has many men who spend their time online making webpages promoting abuse of women, and then write more webpages complaining it was just about free speech, when they're banned from entering Britain via Iceland while trying to bring their sick culture to Europe. They write articles criticising western women, when I wouldn't class USA culture as western in the way of other countries that are western, as while domestic abuse does occur in western nations, you're never out of material from the USA if you're into true crime, with the amount of men who kill their wives and rest of their family.

Even when women take out 'junctions against those kind of men for trying to take away their confidence offline, video sharing websites allow men to force their abuse against women online instead.

Working on themselves in order to get a girlfriend would feel to them as if they were subordinating themselves to women and they will not do it. They believe that women are inherently inferior and should be subjugated to men.

I'd rather be aware of what these creeps are saying than not. It can have very real life consequences for women.

Although I am VERY glad they wouldn't want me. 🤣

Also my bloke isn't anything like what they think women want, but he's kind and gentle and treats women with respect. 😊

Not all women are moody during their periods. If you think that a woman who is not moody during her period is not a "real woman", then I absolutely despair.

Get a grip.

Is that all you've got?

I meant that I think you are very ignorant and you need to educate yourself. I really do not need to get a grip as you put it if I read a very silly comment and despair at your level of intelligence.

It's called a joke. Lots of comments were made like that on this thread. Similar comments are made on mumsnet all the time. If you can't take a light hearted joke amongst dozens of others then you do need to get a grip.

I certainly didn't find it funny. I would not call your comment lighthearted either.

You can't police what other people find funny...the fact is at least half a dozen others did find it funny.

Sorry if you didn't like it but if it's provoked such a strong reaction from you then maybe you shouldn't be on mumsnet or social media. There's a lot worse out there...including on this thread.

Some women might get moody on their periods, but then when males are in their peak levels of testosterone in their late teens and early 20s, they're classed as more dangerous. Such as causing the most deaths while driving, domestic violence and fights when out drinking. I would say testosterone has caused more harm than any female hormones.
Also they're always telling women how rubbish they are, but if they're a man who wants to be a woman, they then expect awards as being the best woman.

And if they find this woman what on earth makes them think they would be interested in them!!

What you can't police is what I post and my opinions on things. I am sure if you disagreed with something I posted, I would know about it very quickly. Talking of incels I would rather work with Elliot freaking Rodger than some woman who bullies others to make herself feel better (they really are 10 a penny aren't they?)

They could get girlfriends if they had realistic expectations (and were decent human beings). What they mean by 'involuntarily celibate' is that they can't get supermodel-type women - and anything else is beneath them so it doesn't count. If they were prepared to accept 'ordinary' women and actually consider personality as well as looks/body they would find plenty of potential partners.

Oh, I've got another point for the incel list

Women who don't accidently on purpose get pregnant. You know the ones I mean. Those "accidental pregnancies".

I really shouldn't encourage them 😂. Before you ask, the list is ridiculous. And yes, I am taking the piss.

I think it stems from OLD which is very looks based and women get way more matches.