Page 15 | What incels reckon makes a good woman:

valensiwalensi · 2024-04-09T11:20:23+00:00

This is the list posted by a bunch of morons who should not be allowed the internet: Loses weight after pregnancy Low body count/dresses modestly Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA Waist to hip ratio 0.7 No trauma Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink Reasonably sized forehead/areolas Can cook and clean No single mums No stretch marks Open to labiaplasty Has low iron levels Can spell coconut with her waist Not a feminist Not moody during her period Doesnt believe in starsigns Doesnt nag At first I laughed SO HARD - wtf does low iron levels even mean? But then honestly I started to feel sad and angry that this bullshit incel culture and porn is shaping young mens approaches to what women should be. Its SO gross.

MariaLuna · 10/04/2024 01:04

We should be worried about them. Two women a week are already killed by men who are/have been in a relationship with them, who actually claim to love them. These men openly despise 50% of the population and advocate rape and violence to get what they want. Their violence and threat of violence is a hate crime. It should be treated just as seriously as other ideologies which advocate hate crimes.

I agree.

Mmhmmn · 10/04/2024 01:05

FacingTheWall · 09/04/2024 12:27

I can see where most of those might come from, however ridiculous they are - but what’s with the low iron levels?!

Can only assume it’s something to do with being weak (?)

Pathetic little grunts.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 10/04/2024 01:11

Teenagehorrorbag · 09/04/2024 23:48

There was a school shooter a while back who was an incel, he was autistic and the whole story was very sad but maybe if you are ND and girls keep rejecting you, there is scope for things to go horribly wrong.

Not saying that gives them the right to create lists about what they want from women, of course - but perhaps it gives a sad and lonely boy some sort of control over why he never gets a girl?

My DS has ASD and has asked loads of girls out while at secondary school (he does have high standards so maybe a bit aspirational....😀) and never gets any luck. I guess he does seem a bit 'weird' to them. It breaks my heart but I just hope things improve when he's older. But you can maybe see how some other ND kids (let's face it, some incels could just be total narcissists but I suspect a lot of them have other issues) might end up joining groups of other people with similar problems, and maybe get carried away trying to find explanations....?

The Incel communities are attractive to trolls because of the inherent gullibility. It becomes hilariously easy to spread more and more ridiculous notions and ideas because they are eager to accept explanations and theories that fit their world view, so before you know it, there are incels subjecting themselves to daily self-administered chin beatings with ball and pein hammers, because they buy the nonsense that this will thicken their bone structure and give them a more masculine jawline.

It's a facet of all online communities, Mumsnet included. If you posit something that fits with a prevailing outlook, plenty of users will just run with it. It's for the exact same reason that this place gets trolled remorselessly. Suggest something that feeds into pre-existing fears and concerns, and bob's your uncle.

There is plenty of innocent naivety that gets swept along with it, and I have a fair degree of sympathy for those people because I see them as victims more than anything, but there's a healthy dose of ignorance, stupidity, and reflexive hate as well. You just need to look at some of the preposterous nonsense that becomes accepted Incel "wisdom" to see that someone, somewhere has clearly been taking the piss.

Teenagehorrorbag · 10/04/2024 01:30

PaperDoIIs · 10/04/2024 01:00

Except PP wasn't talking about ND boys, but a specific case. Where the poor ND boy was actually the content creator, instigator and perpetrator. She even changed her mind after reading his words. Have you read them?

Then you jumped in with your made up ,very suggestive scenario full of emotive language, that had nothing to do with the case she mentioned.

Maybe read a bit about Elliot Rodgers(who PP is talking about).

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I changed my mind about that one individual (hadn't known the full details of the case) but I do still feel that many ND boys might get attracted to inappropriate sites and maybe unsavoury views because they are struggling with their own relationships and social lives.

I shouldn't have cited that one case - it was obviously not a representative scenario and I never knew the full facts.

I wouldn't dream of suggesting that being ND means you are likely to be brainwashed into aggressive violence - but these boys are possibly more vulnerable to any group of people who might offer 'support' or 'company' and could then get led into cults with offensive views or 'explanations' about why their life isn't quite as they would wish.

I think @pyongyangkipperbang was just agreeing with me. We are in no way suggesting that the boy I referenced (probably wrongly) should be cut any slack because of or despite his ND - he was clearly a very damaged person and did very awful things.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 02:14

Bovrilla · 09/04/2024 16:17

I can't believe someone on here has said not to go on about winkie size as men have no control over it, but clearly not looked at the list of incel demands as to the colour of women's labia, size of foreheads etc.

If they can't take it, then they shouldn't dish it out.

<sigh>

When incels make comments about areola size, they objectify and dehumanise all women, even the thin ones. We cannot call them out on this and then shame men for having small penises without being massive hypocrites ourselves.

It's called being logical and consistent.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 02:28

VampireWeekday · 09/04/2024 17:52

I don't find this list funny at all. These men really fucking hate women. Ok, so many of them hate women because women don't want to sleep with them - but they still really really hate us, and probably before becoming incels they hated us anyway, and this attitude is what put women off.
This list shows that they see women as objects or animals, nothing but breeding service humans who exist solely to cater to men. We are not real human beings at all to them.

The list isn't supposed to be achievable, it's purpose is to put women in their place. The aim is to create a standard that women fall short of in morally and "disgust-coded" ways, so that they feel justified in feeling disgust and hatred towards the majority of women. It's our fault, we deserve their hatred because of our degenerate promiscuous PH levels. The narrative is not that we reject the incels, it's that we are so fucking disgusting and vile that we fall short of the standards for normal womanhood. Which, by the way, is an existence of mindless sexual and domestic servitude.

Fuck these twats, honestly. It upsets me because even though the number of men that actually want someone who meets that list is miniscule, it puts the idea out there that this is somehow what a woman would be in an ideal world. It's oppression and it's revolting.

and probably before becoming incels they hated us anyway, and this attitude is what put women off.

This is well worth highlighting. When a man treats a woman like an object or like a vending machine that he puts insincere Nice Guy™ behaviour into and expects sex in return, she will run as soon as she detects his attitude. We've all been on the receiving end of "hey, sexy! hey I'm talking to you, girl... well fuck you you stuck-up bitch" where the insincere (and TBH not actually very pleasant) compliment is followed by a mouthful of abuse when we maintain boundaries. It's frightening and something that we quickly learn to detect in its early stages.

If they thought of us as people, we wouldn't fear them.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 02:35

dapsnotplimsolls · 09/04/2024 18:10

We should because sometimes they get hold of guns. There have been cases, both here and abroad, where young men have decided to get revenge.

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We do not negotiate with terrorists. We make it harder for misogynists to get firearms.

Gun licensing: Partners to be quizzed in new screening

A questionnaire developed with the help of domestic abuse survivors is being used by five forces.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm5rljxy3p5o

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 02:41

SevenSeasOfRhye · 09/04/2024 18:55

Demanding women are 'bubblegum pink' has a tone of white supremacism about it. I wonder if there are links between the incel and far right communities.

Eliott Rodgers who did the Isla Vista misogynistically-motivated spree killing was a racist who hated his mother for the fact that he was half-asian (Chinese or Japanese, can't recall which) and believed that he would have got laid if he was white. There absolutely is a shitton of white supremacy going on with these asshats.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 02:44

PostItInABook · 09/04/2024 18:56

Sooner or later one of these losers will launch a terror attack specifically targeting women. It’s inevitable.

It's been done several times already. Incident list at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism

PaperDoIIs · 10/04/2024 02:58

Eliott Rodgers who did the Isla Vista misogynistically-motivated spree killing was a racist who hated his mother for the fact that he was half-asian (Chinese or Japanese, can't recall which) and believed that he would have got laid if he was white. There absolutely is a shitton of white supremacy going on with these asshats.

He also displayed jealousy ,envy and hatred from a very young age (from his own admission) and radicalised himself, long before joining the incel online community.
At 16 he decided no one should be allowed to have sex because he couldn't have sex. By 18 he was deep into it. He wasn't even rejected, the rejection was the fact that girls wouldn't pay attention to him ,enough attention to him or simply fall at his feet simply for being in the room. He wanted "hot and blonde" but didn't bother to talk to girls or socialise with them or ask them out. Their crime? Not talking to the kid/boy that never talked to them.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 02:59

Karensalright · 09/04/2024 22:42

There was an article on radio four about so called female incels. The researcher stated quite clearly that female incels internalise and blame it on themselves and do not blame men

Yep, that's exactly what women who struggle to date do. And we lower our standards because we don't think we are worthy of a decent guy. We don't lower them to dating these chodes though, self-preservation kicks in.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 03:04

PaperDoIIs · 09/04/2024 23:14

Femcels are also not accepted by incels.
1.because women are the root of all evil.
2.because they refuse to believe women can't get sex.

Ironically, if i'm not mistaken , the term was originally coined by a woman describing her situation.

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They ignore that women don't want sex with just anyone, we want sex with someone who is safe to be around, and that makes the "just walk into a bar, ho" argument fall down because we need to vet the guy to at least some extent.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 10/04/2024 03:07

Teenagehorrorbag · 09/04/2024 23:48

There was a school shooter a while back who was an incel, he was autistic and the whole story was very sad but maybe if you are ND and girls keep rejecting you, there is scope for things to go horribly wrong.

Not saying that gives them the right to create lists about what they want from women, of course - but perhaps it gives a sad and lonely boy some sort of control over why he never gets a girl?

My DS has ASD and has asked loads of girls out while at secondary school (he does have high standards so maybe a bit aspirational....😀) and never gets any luck. I guess he does seem a bit 'weird' to them. It breaks my heart but I just hope things improve when he's older. But you can maybe see how some other ND kids (let's face it, some incels could just be total narcissists but I suspect a lot of them have other issues) might end up joining groups of other people with similar problems, and maybe get carried away trying to find explanations....?

Autistic men often come across as creepy and some of them have extremely poor boundaries and don't respect the boundaries of others. I'm an autistic woman and there are autistic men who have me running. It's why I avoid support groups and other autistic spaces.

I also did target shooting as a child and yet I haven't gone out and got street firearms and set about murdering people because I haven't had sex in a few years. Could this be because being autistic isn't actually an excuse for being a violent entitled twat?

The problem is men feeling entitled to control women. The majority of men who murder women are not autistic. Being autistic isn't an excuse, we have the ability to know right from wrong. It's harmful to autistic people to slur us with accusations of being murderous when we generally aren't.

LilyPAnderson · 10/04/2024 04:15

I noticed that Incel men seem to either come from the USA, or are losers in other nations who got the idea online from men in the USA. In fact, I feel that men and women in the USA seem to dislike each other more than other nations. In Europe where love and romance is part of the culture, people enjoy trying to make each other happy, but in the USA, more men are angry and confused, why women don't want to sleep with men who spend all day online trying to turn any comment section into a chance to whine on about women.
YT also has videos by those men who say they don't want women, but instead of doing what they say by leaving women alone, they then spend their time on the video comments trying to make women feel bad about themselves and promote ab use against women.
There was also a USA man banned from entering some European countries for making webpages encouraging men ab use women while travelling.

For a country that has so many men whining on about women, I would think women have more to complain about, seeing as the USA has the most women k illed by abusive men.

Many USA women tell men they're disgusting if not cir'cised, so that's not nice about men. Although many USA women seem to dislike themselves, as if yet another USA man ki lls his wife and other family, USA women seem to blame the woman for what the man has done.

DreamTheMoors · 10/04/2024 04:33

That’s EXACTLY why they’re incels.

Howbizarre22 · 10/04/2024 05:25

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slore · 10/04/2024 05:55

LilyPAnderson · 10/04/2024 04:15

I noticed that Incel men seem to either come from the USA, or are losers in other nations who got the idea online from men in the USA. In fact, I feel that men and women in the USA seem to dislike each other more than other nations. In Europe where love and romance is part of the culture, people enjoy trying to make each other happy, but in the USA, more men are angry and confused, why women don't want to sleep with men who spend all day online trying to turn any comment section into a chance to whine on about women.
YT also has videos by those men who say they don't want women, but instead of doing what they say by leaving women alone, they then spend their time on the video comments trying to make women feel bad about themselves and promote ab use against women.
There was also a USA man banned from entering some European countries for making webpages encouraging men ab use women while travelling.

For a country that has so many men whining on about women, I would think women have more to complain about, seeing as the USA has the most women k illed by abusive men.

Many USA women tell men they're disgusting if not cir'cised, so that's not nice about men. Although many USA women seem to dislike themselves, as if yet another USA man ki lls his wife and other family, USA women seem to blame the woman for what the man has done.

When I started reading your post, I was thinking about circumcision, then you mentioned it yourself at the end.

I think American men have a masculinity crisis from part of their penis being removed at birth. I've noticed that they are way more insecure about appearing unmanly than European men and I think this is the reason.

Also circumcision raises the risk of autism in men because it's so painful for the baby that it sets the baseline for cortisol in the brain too high.

EasternEcho · 10/04/2024 06:02

A pathetic list demonstrating their sour grapes effect.

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valensiwalensi · 10/04/2024 06:22

Aswellisnotoneword · 10/04/2024 00:12

Am I meant to be writing 'coconut' vertically or horizontally?

Diagonally

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ChubbyMorticia · 10/04/2024 06:26

Elliot Rogers also talked hating a father he saw with two blonde teen daughters. He actually believed that the father was engaging in incest. Because the daughters were hot and blonde. 🤮

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Tiddlywinkly · 10/04/2024 07:15

slore · 10/04/2024 05:55

When I started reading your post, I was thinking about circumcision, then you mentioned it yourself at the end.

I think American men have a masculinity crisis from part of their penis being removed at birth. I've noticed that they are way more insecure about appearing unmanly than European men and I think this is the reason.

Also circumcision raises the risk of autism in men because it's so painful for the baby that it sets the baseline for cortisol in the brain too high.

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Circumcision can autism?! Please insert link to a peer reviewed research document on this.

Lwrenn · 10/04/2024 07:39

Hello, i have an autistic son and even though he's only little, we really do work on respect towards women with him. Hopefully he'll have a base understanding of respect for women for when he reaches and age he may feel rejected by women because he may (almost definitely) struggle to effectively communicate with them.
Both DP and I have worked lots with young men with autism and there is definitely issues for the men who are able enough to use the Internet and express desires to have girlfriends, but also can't find anyone who fits their desires or has any interest at all in them romantically.
It's not because of autism they're likely to become indoctrinated by the Incel movement, as in its not a direct cause, but the issues that arise with having neurodiverity does seem to be problematic.
Not understand social expectations, having a low sense of self esteem etc. Extreme sensitivity and taking rejection really poorly.
That's not by any means every autistic male, if you watch shows such as love on the spectrum or shittily named undateables that gives a more realistic view of autistic men who are often less able that the demographic I'm worried about. Its that "able enough to need minimal support, not able enough to escape vulnerability" which in my personal experience is the men most likely to be a problem for women. Those men who desperately crave acceptance are finding it in the incel movement.
Of course many men without ND also will find themselves indoctrinated by the rising cult of incels, however the world is designed for NT people, so they've automatically got less things in their lives that make them as anxious, angry and likely to fixate on the need to belong somewhere.

It's not being nasty to ND people to realise that they are more vulnerable than NT people, it's common sense and we need to really support these lads to grow up with good self esteem, confidence, understanding of what their autism means etc and I really don't think we're doing enough. Autistic people deserve a good foundation of self worth and to be given tools to mentally develop into adults who feel society appreciates them and they will be given opportunities to meet romantic partners and flourish with the correct support.

Reasonablerealist · 10/04/2024 07:46

My ex was 6,4 mixed race confident (he looked confident) and acted it. However he chose me as I wasn't interested in him, I am gay, he chose me when I was 17 as I'm from a poor background but I was pretty. I did tell him not wanting a relationship I didn't go on about being gay as I thought it was obvious and I never felt comfortable telling people back then as I got bullied enough. Anyway he wasn't rich, didn't even drive, however women of all ages and social status absolutely loved him, he seemed Approachable and would just come up to him and chat and he actually hated women, call the hoes, sluts, village bikes etc I had gossip about me from boys I'd rejected at school calling me slag and he believed it, accused me of looking at any guy that walked past when I'm bot interested constantly being accused of cheating when he wanted me and I wasn't interested I was gay , I told him to leave and I tried to however he would let me, blocked the door, threaten to hurt my family or take my stuff. When I was sleeping he used to read out a list of mens names randomly and if i reacted to any of them he'd wake me up and accuse me of cheating with someone of that name! However everyone thought he was lovely and loving! Anyway he was extremely jealous and violent. My point is as lot of people think that it's only these awkward losers that do thos however he could get women but it actually made him hate women more as he couldn't trust me of think I'm loyal as all these other women who are in relationships are throwing themselves at him. He didn't trust me as I was never really excited about sex with him and accused me of cheating but I have a low sex drive and a lesbian, even when I told him he didn't care he just said lucky lesbians and I need to get it out of my system as if I could just get some action and be sorted however he was so possessive and it's not my thing so I don't know why he said that anyway I wanted him to leave, so from the age of 17 I was loyal to a man I didn't want to be with, was violet and popular so if I did cheat even though I'm not a cheater if I'm with someone I'm with them but I didn't want to be, however everyone saw us as a couple so if I did go off with a women I would have looked like a cheating bitch as he told everyone how much he loved me
He didn't do anything for me , he thought giving me sex was enough, even though not interested made me feel awful, eve I'd I was straight I wouldn't just want a man to want me just for that

Anyway I'm free now and been single for tears as I want to find someone I love and whoever loves me om not I to sleeping around so ill wait

Xenoi24 · 10/04/2024 07:47

Teenagehorrorbag · 10/04/2024 00:23

Wow! OK he was a total freak!

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I have to say - I've seen many similar opinions on the male dominated forum I frequented.

They repeatedly assert that society is falling because women have been allowed too much power and choice.

That women are irrational and silly and immoral. Some believe - seriously - that the vote should be removed from women.

Some believe they should not be allowed to work outside limited roles.

They fervently believe women are given jobs they are not competent at, due to equality legislation etc.

These are e all very common themes, tenets in the philosophy of incels, red pillers and to some extent, mgtows.

Mgtows believe the legal.etc system is set up to benefit women hence they believe in never marrying etc.

Which is kinda ironic given people who work with domestic abuse victims in the US for example, like Lundy Bancroft: think the legal system facilitates abusive men accessing and abusing their children.