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Thread 40: Sunak -failure to plan, or planning to fail?

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DuncinToffee · 23/03/2024 19:15

Or will the fuckitty fuckwits please fuck off

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credits notonthestairs and dontcallmelen Wine

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tobee · 25/03/2024 16:24

newnamethanks · 25/03/2024 13:56

I think you've got it JesS1990, in a nutshell. Speaking of S Wales, Michael Sheen is appearing in one of those NFT Live productions soon, about Aneurin Bevan. I bet few people under 50 know anything about him. He must be spinning like a top when he looks at what we've allowed the UK to become.

I saw a bit in an interview with Michael Sheen talking about the play. Apparently early in the run someone was taken ill, sadly. There was the cliched call of "is there a doctor in the house?" And apparently there were about 50 of them!!! Grin

DuncinToffee · 25/03/2024 16:28

I have been reading up about Bevan a bit as I didn't know much about him other than the NHS, some very interesting reading. His wife, Jessie Lee, was quite formidable too

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Errolwasahero · 25/03/2024 16:33

tobee · 25/03/2024 16:21

Is that Wilson's personal Ming vase litter tray he's availing himself of there?

Not sure about the Ming, but he does like to sit in things - usually pots with plants in them! Fortunately he seems to think of them more as a throne than a toilet.

Absym · 25/03/2024 16:41

DuncinToffee · 25/03/2024 16:03

Cost of Living Crisis is affecting everyone, not just the UK, one wouldn’t know it.

I don't think anyone has said otherwise?

People on here seem to think it’s just in the U.K. but it is all over the world. Everything’s to do with Brexit isn’t it?

The data in the link I provided shows us that the U.K. is doing better in some areas and worse in others, than other countries.

Absym · 25/03/2024 16:42

JessS1990 · 25/03/2024 15:30

Is it really truely affecting everyone, or will it be a bit more like Osborne's austerity whereby the rich continue to get richer even though they already had more money than anyone could possibly need and everyone else gets poorer as a result of greed?

What has your comment got to do with other countries?

DuncinToffee · 25/03/2024 16:45

Absym · 25/03/2024 16:41

People on here seem to think it’s just in the U.K. but it is all over the world. Everything’s to do with Brexit isn’t it?

The data in the link I provided shows us that the U.K. is doing better in some areas and worse in others, than other countries.

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By people on here, do you mean this thread?

Because you are wrong about that, I have family in the Netherlands, I know they have a CoL as well, they also have Covid and the invasion of Ukraine to deal with.

And not everything has to do with Brexit, but it is what differentiates the UK from other European countries.

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Jason118 · 25/03/2024 16:59

For EU member states, it equates to Brexit divided by 26, more or less. For us it's divided by 1.

IClaudine · 25/03/2024 17:00

Absym · 25/03/2024 16:41

People on here seem to think it’s just in the U.K. but it is all over the world. Everything’s to do with Brexit isn’t it?

The data in the link I provided shows us that the U.K. is doing better in some areas and worse in others, than other countries.

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The data you linked to acknowledges that Brexit is a factor in the UK CoL crisis.

Absym · 25/03/2024 17:02

IClaudine · 25/03/2024 17:00

The data you linked to acknowledges that Brexit is a factor in the UK CoL crisis.

Yes of course. But there are many variables across the many countries. It’s more nuanced that a lot of people claim.

This thread yes and also in the many online news outlets.

JessS1990 · 25/03/2024 17:49

Absym · 25/03/2024 16:42

What has your comment got to do with other countries?

Is it possible that these other countries you speak of didn't spend 10 years insisting on austerity in order to make the poor poorer and the rich richer, so the effects of the Cost of Truss crisis is less on them than it is in the UK?

Absym · 25/03/2024 18:03

JessS1990 · 25/03/2024 17:49

Is it possible that these other countries you speak of didn't spend 10 years insisting on austerity in order to make the poor poorer and the rich richer, so the effects of the Cost of Truss crisis is less on them than it is in the UK?

The other countries (that I ‘speak of’ 😂) that have much data documented in the research I posted. Did you read it?

There’s a lot of background information on specific areas of specific countries. Certainly broadens the mind to read a bit wider, and think about how economies in other countries are affected., and how the U.K. relates to them.

Notonthestairs · 25/03/2024 18:05

HHHmmm. There hasn't been the sort of investment in infrastructure to keep up with maintainence let alone improvements (something like £11 billion outstanding maintenance for NHS properties alone), transports systems under unbearable pressure (adding stress to daily lives but also limiting peoples opportunities), we haven't built a reservoir in thirty years, prisons are over crowded to the point that is has had an impact on sentencing, we have crumbling public buildings (courts, schools, hospitals), not enough SN schools, delays built into the SEND system actually damaging children (mine included), increased poverty, increased destitution, not enough teachers in certain subjects, large class sizes which benefits nobody, insufficient retention of experienced teachers and medics, fewer GPs per head than many EU countries, fewer hospital beds, social care has tens of thousands of vacancies, lengthy waiting times for A&E, all sorts of crap on our beaches and in our waterways and then on top of that high living costs (property/energy/food/childcare).

You can tell me that it isnt all rosy in Germany or wherever as if that should make me feel better. It doesnt. And many of these problems began well before the Russian invasion of Ukraine (pr 2) and were predicted.

And yes, knocking off 4% off GDP and devoting bloody YEARS of Parliamentary and civil service time, money & energy to Brexit so I can have a pint of wine isn't really cutting it. I wasn't even that angry after the Referendum because I stupidly assumed that they must have had a Plan for what came next. Because what Government would embark on such a massive project without a clear idea of the path forward? If I wasn't cross then, I am pretty incandescent now.

pointythings · 25/03/2024 18:06

I think you'd have to be incredibly naive to think Brexit had nothing to do with the CoL crisis in the UK. We also have one of the most incompetent governments Europe has ever seen, with a reputation for not adhering to international law and international agreements. That's going to affect our trade. House prices are high pretty much everywhere in the EU, but the UK has very weak protection for renters, with legislation intended to remedy that kicked into the long grass by guess who? Put bluntly, our pile of shit is bigger than most.

newnamethanks · 25/03/2024 18:11

Agreed. Anyone stating Brexit has not greatly contributed to COL crisis is being deliberately obtuse or is Rees-Mogg or one of his sycophantic minions.

JessS1990 · 25/03/2024 18:16

Notonthestairs · 25/03/2024 18:05

HHHmmm. There hasn't been the sort of investment in infrastructure to keep up with maintainence let alone improvements (something like £11 billion outstanding maintenance for NHS properties alone), transports systems under unbearable pressure (adding stress to daily lives but also limiting peoples opportunities), we haven't built a reservoir in thirty years, prisons are over crowded to the point that is has had an impact on sentencing, we have crumbling public buildings (courts, schools, hospitals), not enough SN schools, delays built into the SEND system actually damaging children (mine included), increased poverty, increased destitution, not enough teachers in certain subjects, large class sizes which benefits nobody, insufficient retention of experienced teachers and medics, fewer GPs per head than many EU countries, fewer hospital beds, social care has tens of thousands of vacancies, lengthy waiting times for A&E, all sorts of crap on our beaches and in our waterways and then on top of that high living costs (property/energy/food/childcare).

You can tell me that it isnt all rosy in Germany or wherever as if that should make me feel better. It doesnt. And many of these problems began well before the Russian invasion of Ukraine (pr 2) and were predicted.

And yes, knocking off 4% off GDP and devoting bloody YEARS of Parliamentary and civil service time, money & energy to Brexit so I can have a pint of wine isn't really cutting it. I wasn't even that angry after the Referendum because I stupidly assumed that they must have had a Plan for what came next. Because what Government would embark on such a massive project without a clear idea of the path forward? If I wasn't cross then, I am pretty incandescent now.

Rishi does indeed have THE PLAN. Have you not heard. As long as everyone believes in it enough there may be no more Tory MPs by the end of the year.

BIossomtoes · 25/03/2024 18:17

Even Rees Mogg said it would take 50 years to see any benefit from Brexit. It’s no coincidence that he moved all his money out of the country.

JessS1990 · 25/03/2024 18:17

Absym · 25/03/2024 18:03

The other countries (that I ‘speak of’ 😂) that have much data documented in the research I posted. Did you read it?

There’s a lot of background information on specific areas of specific countries. Certainly broadens the mind to read a bit wider, and think about how economies in other countries are affected., and how the U.K. relates to them.

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I don't want to read about other countries. I specifically voted for Brexit in order that I would not have to think about other countries ever again. We don't need them, the UK is great on its own.

Notonthestairs · 25/03/2024 18:20

Sunak sent his MPs home for an extra long Easter break. Not because there is nothing to do (although the legislative agenda doesn't look overburdened to me) but to cheer them up and stop the little rascals plotting.

I mean maybe all PM's have to resort to such methods? But it doesnt exactly inspire me.

Absym · 25/03/2024 18:20

JessS1990 · 25/03/2024 18:17

I don't want to read about other countries. I specifically voted for Brexit in order that I would not have to think about other countries ever again. We don't need them, the UK is great on its own.

Constructive sarcasm. Always helps a debate.

BIossomtoes · 25/03/2024 18:21

Absym · 25/03/2024 18:20

Constructive sarcasm. Always helps a debate.

It’s a running theme on this series of threads. We like it.

DuncinToffee · 25/03/2024 18:22

Oh dear

https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1772300405147377877?s=20

NEW: The Tories have been forced to delete a Labour attack video about crime in London after it featured a scene showing chaos at Penn Station in ... er New York.

The now-deleted post also linked to a “life under Labour” website showing a derelict row of houses in Peterborough … which is not a Labour-run council.

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DuncinToffee · 25/03/2024 18:22

Welcome to the thread and MN Absym

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BIossomtoes · 25/03/2024 18:25

Not only is Peterborough’s council Tory but so are both its MPs. Looks like they’ve turned their comms over to interns.

IClaudine · 25/03/2024 18:32

Updated video. The Tories have absolutely lost the plot with this. Also, Khan did not "seize power". He was elected as he will be again in May.

twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1772321715713982730

IClaudine · 25/03/2024 18:33

11.1k views of that video. 91 likes.

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