Thread 40: Sunak -failure to plan, or planning to fail?

[DuncinToffee]

Or will the fuckitty fuckwits please fuck off

previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5025316-thread-39-sunak-government-by-gaslight?page=40&reply=133987967

credits notonthestairs and dontcallmelen

Realised that my post might be construed as directing my comments at Rafa - I meant I'm irritated by deliberately false or misleading Tweets. It doesn't help anyone's arguments.
If I don't want made up quotes from Starmer/Cooper/Rayner, I have to apply the same to Truss/Sunak/Cleverly.

Really glad you are on the mend Tiddles
thank you for my vase love tis my latest charity shop find.

I agree.

It did sound like the kind of thing she would say though. I fell for something Mike Pence "said" about abortion - it was made up but it did sound exactly like the kind of thing he would say.

Which says a lot about confirmation bias and also a lot about the views of the people who "said" (but didn't say) such things.

Oh dear

Despite what Jeremy Hunt thinks, £100k is by any measure a high income | Family finances | The Guardian

Notwithstanding the struggles of Jeremy Hunt’s constituent, £100,000 a year in the UK is, by any possible objective measure, a high income.
The median for working-age households across the country is estimated to be just above £35,000, and anything higher than £81,357 puts you in the top 5%.

Even in the relatively affluent Godalming and Ash constituency Hunt is contesting, where a chat with an unhappy voter prompted him to muse about the challenges of six-figure salaries, estimates by the consultancy Electoral Calculus put the median at little more than half that: £56,606.
The elections expert Prof Paula Surridge, the deputy director of the thinktank UK in a Changing Europe, called Hunt’s decision to double down on his claim on Sunday morning “bizarre”.

Maybe he is in a bubble?

And if he thinks that people on £100,000 are struggling in his consituency, what does he think other people are doing?

They really are the bottom feeders of humanity, so utterly disgusting that this rhetoric is even thought let alone broadcast on TV & in print.
im still awaiting decision on my renewal application for PiP they harassed me to send it back by the beginning of January wouldn’t grant an extension so I could get some support filling the form in, so had to do it by myself I have a life limiting heart condition diagnosed & under the care of a cardiologist they damm well know I’m not going to recover, yet they insist on putting me through this every two years it’s humiliating & incredibly stressful & the cherry on the top is reading the bile they direct towards those who are in the unenviable position of claiming the benefits.

He’s echoing a certain sector of MN about £100k not being a high salary. It really makes you wonder if they try out the guff they say here first.

I realised as soon as I posted that you could read my address on the dog tag in the picture I posted. Here’s another one - hope they don’t scare all your cats.

That’s barbaric @dontcallmelen. Such an awful waste of money too.

Solidarity @dontcallmelen. It is a horrible, upsetting process to go through. I did my DH's PIP claim and spent about two weeks doing it.

They told my DH he won't be reassessed for 10 years, which is good, but I don't trust them not to change their minds.

Interesting take - if people on £100k in Surrey are feeling hard up, what does that mean for the Tory party?

Really is Blossom what makes it worse I was awarded dla indefinitely but when it changed to PiP they make me do it every two years.
Pointy IClaudine I’m also very sorry you face the same issues.

Lovely dogs, @blossomtoes. My DS got his award for 9 years, but I also don't trust that the boundaries won't be shifted and the criteria tightened if the Tories get in. Which would be awful, because getting PIP means he can get by financially on a 0.6 WTE job, which is all he is able to do because of his health conditions. Take the PIP away and force him into F/T and he won't be able to work at all - lose-lose.

@dontcallmelen it's so stupid... Some conditions really need to be exempt because they are never going to get better. My DS is never not going to have joints that dislocate for no reason.

I don't have a cat either but this is my neighbour's cat who spends half her life in my house.

This was her reaction when I told her about the 'plan'.

I have to be honest, I sometimes have concerns about my cat's political tendencies.

(But I think she just really likes The Sound of Music).

The mentality that feels hard up on 100k a year but disputes the existence of relative poverty is very very hard to fathom.

I agree with you.

My ds has a neurological degenerative condition that's a cousin to MND.

He will be able to do less and less. He can do less now than when he was awarded 3 years ago.

He gets enhanced PIP. We now have to wait for someone else's judgement about whether he still is as disabled as he was 3 years ago or not. Because changing the award - to me - seems like that's the judgement theyve made.

Or they have to admit the systems shite because it's based on opinion

Damnit

I assume the unreported part of the Chancellor's comments is consideration of a manifesto pledge to ensure a basic income for all of at least 100k?

Do we think the Chancellor has had a word with whoever it is that is responsible for the pay of teachers, nurses, doctors and so on in his constituency and insisted they need a big pay rise?

I was a bit shocked by this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68626430

Important analysis, would not have expected it on the BBC because its very critical....

Having read an awful lot of rubbish in the weekend newspapers how nice to something clear, factual and measured.
Not surprised though - it's Ros Atkins.

The Conservative Party appear to wish me, as a simple voter, to Believe in The (existence of the much referred to) Plan on a basis of Faith not evidence.
My local Vicar speaks in similar terms.
Shurley shome mishtake?

Really it is just a question of knowing ones place and doffing ones cap to ones superiors.

This is the very essence of being English, the class system.

Placemarking. This is not my cat, but he visits.

Morning. Loving following these threads as it means I don’t have to subject myself to The News. Have about as much faith in The Plan as I do in anything else requiring faith. Feeling pressured to post a cat pic though, especially as they’re all so cute. So here is Wilson. He is the King of the House.