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Rishi is on the way out?

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Justkeepswiimming · 18/03/2024 13:15

Is Rishi on the way out? Could the Tories really be contemplating replacing him at this point in time?

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SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 10:42

JessS1990 · 28/03/2024 10:30

They are also monopolies, but made more complicated by the ludicrous competition arrangements, which is why energy users particular domestic ones pay far more for gas and electricity than in comparable European companies, but as long as the private companies make their profits that is fine.

Where is the sense in paying a company that neither makes the electricity or owns and maintains the cables that the electrons I use travel along?

We're in danger of being in fierce agreement ...

I have never understood the ideological basis for privatising national utilities in a country the size and shape of Britain. And the collapse of all the private energy billing companies "suppliers" proved me 100% right.

JessS1990 · 28/03/2024 10:45

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 10:42

We're in danger of being in fierce agreement ...

I have never understood the ideological basis for privatising national utilities in a country the size and shape of Britain. And the collapse of all the private energy billing companies "suppliers" proved me 100% right.

The trick is going to be to renationalise at reasonable cost without spooking the markets.
Much the easiest will be the railways, some of which operating companies are already run by the government.

LittleWeed2 · 28/03/2024 10:49

I don’t see why he is so ‘hated’ -racism is part of it I think.
He isn’t a great leader of men, true but I don’t see many MPs who are. He is intelligent and has inherited a disaster -financially. Shame he is so influenced by the media and whoever tells him he must constantly snipe at Starmer.
Unless Starmer pulls together some cross party groups to decide our future -NHS, transport, taxes - I don’t see things improving - Starmer has no solution to immigration or finding money for everything that needs it. But hopefully he will have a big majority and can make some changes eg in the parliamentary system -but will he once he’s the one impower

LittleWeed2 · 28/03/2024 10:58

We don’t want the water company for a £1 cos it needs millions/billions spent to fix the Victorian sewers. The taxpayer would be landed with that.
the NHS is a public company - we have such good employment laws it’s hard to get rid of anyone - publicly owned workers get paid the same for rubbing out as for filling in - private companies have to make a profit for their shareholders so won’t support waste.

DuncinToffee · 28/03/2024 10:58

LittleWeed2 · 28/03/2024 10:49

I don’t see why he is so ‘hated’ -racism is part of it I think.
He isn’t a great leader of men, true but I don’t see many MPs who are. He is intelligent and has inherited a disaster -financially. Shame he is so influenced by the media and whoever tells him he must constantly snipe at Starmer.
Unless Starmer pulls together some cross party groups to decide our future -NHS, transport, taxes - I don’t see things improving - Starmer has no solution to immigration or finding money for everything that needs it. But hopefully he will have a big majority and can make some changes eg in the parliamentary system -but will he once he’s the one impower

has inherited a disaster -financially.

Remind us, what was his previous role in this government?

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 11:01

The trick is going to be to renationalise at reasonable cost without spooking the markets.

Fuck that.

The "trick" is to simply enforce the contracts these wide-boys took on when they got the gig and to ensure the mechanism for paying shareholders is linked to performance under those contracts.

Or - in other words - to actually do it the way it was promised 40 years ago.

LittleWeed2 · 28/03/2024 11:04

We had the banking crash in 2008 and never recovered then Covid -one problem we have is gov being influenced by screaming media headlines and also Twitter. I think Covid would have had much more sensible rules if we hadn’t had individual sob stories about dying relatives and had looked at it to include everyone, such as school children (also the fact there were no women in the design making group). So would have been less financially devastating.
We aren’t manufacturing anything much -all out earnings go to China and US internet companies. I don’t see this changing whoever is chancellor.

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 11:05

inherited a disaster -financially.

Did he ? The moment you remember it was Tory disaster under Liz Truss (moreover a disaster the entire fucking country saw coming and is now paying for) the channel somehow gets switched to extremism. Or small boats. Or some other sleight-of-mouth distraction.

Loyalty and unity are admirable qualities. Up to a point. But go beyond that and you lose your integrity. And I am quite happy to acknowledge that isn't something Tories have a monopoly on.

SnapdragonToadflax · 28/03/2024 11:23

Rishi Sunak - the ex-Chancellor of the Exchequer - inherited a financial disaster, did he? 😂

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 11:24

SnapdragonToadflax · 28/03/2024 11:23

Rishi Sunak - the ex-Chancellor of the Exchequer - inherited a financial disaster, did he? 😂

A Big Boy did it and ran away.

Apparently.

LittleWeed2 · 28/03/2024 11:42

I’m amazed people think one person caused the uks financial situation - we are long term stuffed imv, stuffed in the past since 2008 and stuffed in the future.
Ageing population, increasing pension bill, no manufacturing to speak of, increasing population so increasing demand of public services, increasing numbers not working, cutting back on oil/gas production to be green ie we buy someone else’s, everything made and bought from China. Though it is probably similar in other western countries.

L1ttledrummergirl · 28/03/2024 11:46

Sunak knows about the banking disaster in 2008- he made a fortune at the countries expense.

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 11:46

I’m amazed people think one person caused the uks financial situation

Obviously it's a line, not a point. However that line took a massive downward turn when Truss got her hands on the levers of power. And we will be paying for that that downward turn for decades to come. Remember - we haven't yet started feeling the effects. They'll start kicking in over the next year or so.

MissPeachyKeen · 28/03/2024 11:57

Nothing screams of desperation more than the Tories

DianaTaverner · 28/03/2024 12:23

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2024 11:24

A Big Boy did it and ran away.

Apparently.

To be fair Kwasi Kwarteng is quite a big bloke. Vladimir Putin's not as big as he'd have you believe but he's bigger than Rishi.

Sunak is responsible for a lot of the UK's economic problems, but by no means all.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/03/2024 13:59

LittleWeed2 · 28/03/2024 11:42

I’m amazed people think one person caused the uks financial situation - we are long term stuffed imv, stuffed in the past since 2008 and stuffed in the future.
Ageing population, increasing pension bill, no manufacturing to speak of, increasing population so increasing demand of public services, increasing numbers not working, cutting back on oil/gas production to be green ie we buy someone else’s, everything made and bought from China. Though it is probably similar in other western countries.

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I don't believe that anyone thinks one person caused the UK's financial problems. It was one party. The Tory Party wrecked the country with a multitude of terrible decisions taken over the past 14 years.

SerendipityJane · 30/03/2024 14:05

I guess this is unfair. One is a right wing leader who became leader without an election. The other is Adolf Hitler

Hitler phones Sunak

Hitler gives Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, a call to talk about his unpopularity and that he's heading for a big defeat.Patreon ► ht...

https://youtu.be/TQT-Ic4z9E4

WallenFan1 · 04/04/2024 12:13

I hope so! Well actually, the Tories are less likely to win the election with him as PM, so maybe he should stay.

DuncinToffee · 07/04/2024 11:42

Tory rebels allege that members of the 1922 Committee have been promised peerages to "prop up" Rishi Sunak

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1776671093568233569

NEW: Rishi Sunak has offered to finance his aides after they leave No 10 if they remain loyal

“Rishi has said to some of the people around him, ‘Don’t worry, just stick with me. I’ll bankroll you after this. If you want to start a business, I’ll invest in it.’”

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1776884169655648450

SerendipityJane · 07/04/2024 15:33

DuncinToffee · 07/04/2024 11:42

Tory rebels allege that members of the 1922 Committee have been promised peerages to "prop up" Rishi Sunak

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1776671093568233569

NEW: Rishi Sunak has offered to finance his aides after they leave No 10 if they remain loyal

“Rishi has said to some of the people around him, ‘Don’t worry, just stick with me. I’ll bankroll you after this. If you want to start a business, I’ll invest in it.’”

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1776884169655648450

Shame the UK doesn't get the same level of investment, eh ?

LlynTegid · 07/04/2024 15:43

Well if it is the case, makes a difference from party donors or a 20 something woman who I suspect knows something about Boris Johnson and is keeping silent.

JessS1990 · 07/04/2024 19:30

SerendipityJane · 07/04/2024 15:33

Shame the UK doesn't get the same level of investment, eh ?

Well its hardly his fault that the tax system means he pays a smaller proportion of his income in tax than I do.

Saschka · 07/04/2024 19:34

JessS1990 · 07/04/2024 19:30

Well its hardly his fault that the tax system means he pays a smaller proportion of his income in tax than I do.

True, he’s had no involvement in the budget over the last 4 years, nothing to do with him.