Angela Rayner - political hypocrite, yes or no?

[Agnes12]

Whatever the ins and outs, Angela says she is “proud” to have bought her council house 20 years ago under RTB. Angela has been a long-term Labour supporter and has come up through the Labour/Trade Union movement. I find it quite surprising that she has then bought a state owned asset, later sold at a profit.

I have never agreed with RTB but recognise for if you are given that opportunity you are probably going to take it. However for someone who purports to be a socialist isn’t this a tad hypocritical? Or doesn’t it matter and she should be allowed to take advantage of the scheme as she qualified?

She says in her OP 20 years ago.
I think the DM are at fault here for whipping up a frenzy about nothing by not prompting readers to engage their brains. Typical DM. No doubt keen to distract from the Islamophobia row surrounding the Conservatives today.

You said "So, most Labour voters don't send their children to private school. Neither do most ordinary Tory voters either, tbf" as if you had disproved what I was saying. But that wasn't what I said.

Why do you think the standard of the civil service is so low? Could it be something to do with them having frozen pay for most of the last 14 years, and constantly being referred to in derogatory terms by the media?

I don't know yet. I don't know what Labour's policies are going to end up as because they keep announcing and then retracting policies. I also disagree with Labour's stance on gender ideology, which I think is regressive, homophobic and misogynistic.

There are lots of people like me who feel politically homeless at the moment. I wish there was a political party I could support.

It’s a shame the evidence doesn’t support your view.

It's not my view. It's my experience. There is no evidence of my experience that anyone else has access to 🙄

I consider myself a socialist but I encouraged my DM to buy her flat under RTB and gave her the money to do so. This was down to her near having a breakdown over bedroom tax, and ending up completely terrified that she’d end up being evicted. She didn’t buy it so she could flog it at a profit, she bought it so she could continue to live in it in peace which she still does to this day.

we bought our council flat in the 90s I have no regrets and I don't see myself as a hypocrite.

The civil service has also culled thousands of its most experienced staff over the last decade, as they were too expensive.

Nope, it has little to do with pay. As someone who has worked both in and with The Civil Service I would say the standard of personal is generally low. Don't get me wrong, there are still some superb people working within it, but as an organisation in general it is lazy and incompetent far to often. They are also smug, sly and arrogant.

As for your remark about the media. The Civil Servant type and The BBC type work hand in glove. Thick as thieves they are.

This.

I proved that the Labour voters you know are outliers. I didn't say you were lying.

Not remotely.

I don't think that anyone that I know sends their children to private schools, you must move in very monied circles.

Our current Labour candidate rents and sends their child to the nearest state school.

I know a few Labour voters who send, or sent, their kids to private school. It’s hilarious. They say ‘I don’t believe in private school but the state ones are dire’. I correct them and say so you DO believe in private schools, but only under conditions which suit you. Because to me it’s an absolutist belief, if you didn’t believe in them you wouldn’t use them no matter what the circumstances. Like abortion.

I live in one of the few Labour seats in the South East.

I'm a party member.

I don't know any Labour supporter sending their kids to private school.

Grammar, one or two. Private, absolutely not.

Just saying.

I think the point is people who specifically have a principle against private education, then send their kids to private school. And still seek to maintain their principle against private school, perhaps accompanied with much hand wringing and heavy sighing.

If you're mad at Angela Rayner for selling her council house, but turn a blind eye to the man who "outed" her - the billionaire Tory peer avoiding UK taxes as a non-dom while in the House of Lords, you're part of the hypocrisy problem.

No, I don't think that OP.

AR is amazing, tohave achieved what she has from where she started.

Unfortunately, that's her problem, for all "people" think they approve of social mobility, too many would much prefer people stayed in their place, especially women with a rough around the edges accent.

What ever your politics, you need to have a look at yourself if you can't see she's brilliant and have a proper think about what it is you don't like about her.

It will be a very, very small percentage of Labour voters who do this, so I am not sure what the relevance is. There are hypocrites in every party and every walk of life.

This is mad. She's an individual functioning within a system. And this was 20 years ago.

I think house prices should be lower in the UK. That doesn't mean I'd sell for £50k under market value if I was to sell my house.

You can't hold an individual responsible for a systematic issue. Because one person acting differently wouldn't result in any change, it would just be to their detriment.

She left school at 16 because she was pregnant and then worked to get qualifications to get herself a better job. She's made £48k of profit on a house in 20 years and she wasn't in politics at the time. Honestly the Daily Mail putting that story on their front page when the world is going to hell in a handcart is fucking pathetic.

Start a thread about Baroness Mone instead.

I only know one person who sends their kid to private school. The rest of my friends (probably 80% labour voters) use the local state schools.

I think AR is brilliant. She shows what is possible when you take every opportunity that is open to you and don't listen to the idiots who want to 'keep you in your place'

Sure everyone practices a level of hypocrisy, I am a socialist and don't agree with RTB as a policy (well, at least not if there isn't also new social housing being built). But if I got the option to buy a council house, I would take it. I hope I would do as much with the opportunity for stability for my family as AR has done but I doubt it. It's a hard path and one not accessible or walkable by many.