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What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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Bookridden · 21/02/2024 21:19

I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

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noblegiraffe · 24/02/2024 19:39

You think that the Mayor of London is being controlled by his mates who are Islamists?

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 19:40

Where do you live @User8646382 ?

Dogfisher · 24/02/2024 19:41

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 16:46

Have any posters dismissed it? I haven't. Don't put words in my mouth please.
What I did say was that the survey I linked to looks at sports and other issues. On sport, it says:

The public are strongly opposed to trans women athletes participating in women’s sporting events, by 61% versus just 16% who are supportive.

It is not clear, however, how much of this is represents acceptance of the argument that trans women athletes have an unfair advantage, because Britons also tend to be opposed to transgender men competing in men’s events. Such opposition is lower, however, at 48%, with 29% in favour.

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Half the problem is the deliberately confusing language - many people think that a TW is actually female and vice versa - which of course is the intention.

Make it clear that a TW is a male who has mostly not undergone any surgery or hormone treatment and you will get very different answers.

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DuncinToffee · 24/02/2024 19:43

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 19:34

I don’t think I’m talking in riddles at all. I think I’m talking in very plain terms.

Do you have any response about my comment on what Hoyle actually said, or are you just here to shut down debate?

This is Hoyle's statement

I made a judgement call that didn't end up in the position where I expected it to. I regret it.

'I apologise to the SNP and I apologise to the House. I made a mistake. We do make mistakes. I own up to mine'

He says threats to MPs are 'absolutely frightening'

'I have a duty of care that I will carry out to protect people. It is the protection that led me to make a wrong decision. But what I do not apologise is the risk that is being put on all members. I do not want anything to happen again.'

What are you questioning?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 24/02/2024 19:48

noblegiraffe · 24/02/2024 19:39

You think that the Mayor of London is being controlled by his mates who are Islamists?

I know you’re not asking me that - and I’ve said that Anderson is rightly suspended for his comment - but I do believe that the arrangements, routing and policing of these demonstrations needs to be changed.

There should never have been any reason - although actually a pretext - for Labour or anyone else to worry about safety from the mob of ‘pro-Palestine’.

BIossomtoes · 24/02/2024 19:50

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 19:47

Sadly, death threats have been happening for a while.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/18/violent-threats-against-mps-commonplace-report-warns

I think Diane Abbott has been particularly inundated with threats and abuse for a long time?

ETA link:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/05/diane-abbott-more-abused-than-any-other-mps-during-election

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Lots of them receive threats. And of course two MPs have been murdered in the last decade.

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 20:02

That is behind a paywall for me, blossomtoes.

BIossomtoes · 24/02/2024 20:20

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 20:02

That is behind a paywall for me, blossomtoes.

Sorry. 😔

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 21:18

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 19:40

Where do you live @User8646382 ?

I live in London and I own a nursery, so I have a lot of contact with the Met and the local authority. If I said what I had seen and experienced in the last five years, you wouldn’t believe me. You would call me a ‘Reform voter’, like the other charming commenter above.

But I don’t have any political affiliation. I am just an ordinary person, utterly aghast - and very frightened - by the things I have witnessed.

pointythings · 24/02/2024 21:29

@User8646382 and you have seen things that prove that Sadiq Khan is involved?

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 21:33

No, and I didn’t say I had. I said I don’t have access to the information that Lee Anderson has.

pointythings · 24/02/2024 21:42

I think that if Lee Anderson had any kind of information, he'd have done better to bring it out through proper Parliamentary channels rather than spouting racist rants. Of course it may be that he's too stupid to do that - anyone who thinks you can cook a nutritious meal for 30p a head in the middle of a CoL crisis doesn't have the brains of a goldfish - but I'm rather more inclined to think that this is just another typical anti-Islam rant from a very unpleasant human being and that in fact he has absolutely no evidence. Your faith in the man is misplaced.

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 21:46

OK, whatever you say.

noblegiraffe · 24/02/2024 21:50

He's just a boring, run-of-the-mill racist.

Secret information conspiracy theory bollocks. Hmm

pointythings · 24/02/2024 21:52

noblegiraffe · 24/02/2024 21:50

He's just a boring, run-of-the-mill racist.

Secret information conspiracy theory bollocks. Hmm

Couldn't agree more. People are so quick to believe nonsense these days.

justasking111 · 24/02/2024 22:14

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 19:30

I don’t have access to the information that Lee Anderson has, and I undoubtedly haven’t seen as much as him.

However, I, personally, have seen and experienced enough to make up my own mind.

So what are you doing about it?

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 22:25

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 21:18

I live in London and I own a nursery, so I have a lot of contact with the Met and the local authority. If I said what I had seen and experienced in the last five years, you wouldn’t believe me. You would call me a ‘Reform voter’, like the other charming commenter above.

But I don’t have any political affiliation. I am just an ordinary person, utterly aghast - and very frightened - by the things I have witnessed.

What have you witnessed? What is frightening you?

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 22:28

IClaudine · 24/02/2024 22:25

What have you witnessed? What is frightening you?

Police refusing to investigate crimes. Social workers refusing to take referrals. And that’s just for starters.

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 22:31

Actually, let me amend that slightly. Social workers refusing to take code red referrals.

DuncinToffee · 24/02/2024 22:44

How does that justify Anderson's comment?

"the Islamists have got control of Sadiq Khan, they've got control of London."

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 22:50

DuncinToffee · 24/02/2024 22:44

How does that justify Anderson's comment?

"the Islamists have got control of Sadiq Khan, they've got control of London."

I don’t know. What do you think?

DuncinToffee · 24/02/2024 23:01

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 22:50

I don’t know. What do you think?

I think it is racism

You?

AdamRyan · 24/02/2024 23:05

User8646382 · 24/02/2024 22:28

Police refusing to investigate crimes. Social workers refusing to take referrals. And that’s just for starters.

Yeah whatever.
Giant lizard people are also running the world and using nanobot vaccines to track us all.

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