What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

And in fact their economic incompetence goes back to George Osborne – the man who turned a short recession (experienced by many countries after the bank crashes), into a longer one with his much-vaunted Austerity.

It's not a flash in the pan thing. This is what Conservatives do right now.

It comes back to what we've said before, possibly even on this thread, that the gutting of the senior Tory party by Johnson to leave only pro-Brexit and pro-Johnson loyalists has been very, very bad for the UK.

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Only bad for remainers! For the 17.5 million that voted for Brexit it is fine thanks.

Can you point me to the rules which were violated by polling officers, please? Because I don't think any were.

I see, so we're quibbling over the definition of trashing the economy.

The value of the pound plummeting, mortgage rates shooting up and the Bank of England having to intervene with billions to save pension funds meets my threshold.

And the fact that she got forced out and her plans which caused that put in the bin suggests that others agreed that she was, indeed, trashing the economy.

You, of course, are entitled to your own view.

I don’t think it’s been shown it wasn’t listed. The poster you’re referring to says she doesn’t know whether it was.

Came across a clip of David Cameron, back when he was Prime Minister or just before, saying approx: "Conservative Party: does what it says on the tin."

Gave me a wry laugh, at least.

Click on the link. It’s not included as an option.

For all the ‘no one cares’ pro male posters and Isla Bryson was nothing there has been more movement in gender ideology than say, Brexit, politically

Labour are spinning on it but they realised how bad Self ID sounded after Bryson and attempted to paper over their issues to avoid challenge

For all the polls and posts on here no major party is going into the GE with a shift on Brexit

Women have changed the conversation more than that

No thanks to the few on here who don’t care obviously

What’s really interesting there is if you assume every single ‘don’t know’ breaks for the Tories, they still don’t get past equal in any of the groups other than outright owners.
I’m in outright owning Labour voter, for clarity.

Thank you for that most gracious concession that I may hold my own view.

My definition of ‘trashing’ an entire economy does not extend to bad judgement that was reversed without harm, no.

I don’t think that’s ’trashing’ any more than Nick Clegg’s backtracked agreement to no increase in student loans ‘trashed’ education or the Libs’ reputation in education. (Personally, I don’t think he should have made that humiliating mea culpa video, but now he’s raking it in with Facebook I doubt he cares).

Exactly. Tories really like to make it sound like Wales is a total shit show. Reality is, it’s pretty good. The train strike was settled here quickly. As was the teachers’ strike. Public transport isn’t great, but it doesn’t seem to get any better when you cross the border.

Same here.

Notwithstanding the don't knows it is also interesting how close the outright owners votes are, given that they are more likely to be older. I have seen other stats that indicate that the Tories are losing their over 65s core vote. Whether to Reform UK or Labour, who knows.

I’m in outright owning Labour voter, for clarity.

Same.

bad judgement that was reversed without harm

Definitions of 'without harm' seem to vary too...

Ah mate, you're still trying with the Lib Dems? Bad news for you there, I'm afraid.

‘None of these’ is though. And it barely scores. If people genuinely felt women’s rights or trans rights were more important, they’d have selected that, surely?

Yeh that’s not convincing

If it were Labour wouldn’t want to learn from Scotland’s mistakes

It’s just the unbelievably blinkered on here who think it hasn’t had an impact and argue no one cares. What an own goal to be so anti women btw

It’s had more of an impact than the endless we hate Brexit posts and polls. No party has picked that up for the GE

"without harm"

Thanks @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying for demonstrating my point that you're glossing over the known damage caused by Truss's Travesty – as well as adopting the most optimistic possible view of the unknowns.

Why would you do that?

Seriously, if you think things are any better in England then I'm afraid you are very much mistaken.

It seems I live within the same geographical area as you with the health authority that is back in special measures. Over the last 4 years I have had countless dealings with NHS in both Wales and England. I was diagnosed with a very rare condition which was identified by my local GP and then diagnosed by the specialist department at my local hospital. Both were excellent and dealt with it extremely quickly (despite the fact the whole process started just a month before the pandemic started).

Because of the rarity of my illness I then had to be referred to a specialist hospital for surgery as only a handful in the UK deal with it. I was offered Cardiff or one in Manchester. I chose the one in Manchester because it is nearer to me and quicker to get to. Big mistake. Since day 1 at this English hospital I have had nothing but problems with them. I could write pages about the issues I have had with them, the list is endless. I am now post-surgery and have been referred back to the consultant at my local hospital in Wales and my treatment and management once again is superb.

I have friends in many parts of England and they constantly tell me how they can't get a GP appointment for days or weeks on end and yet I haven't had this problem at all. The times I have had to travel to the hospital in England on public transport has been filled with setbacks. I would guess I have done the journey 20-25 times over the last 3 years and only once in all that time was there a train cancelled in Wales. About a third of my journeys in England were either met with delays or cancellations. In fact, maybe even more than that.

I'm not saying Wales is perfect and I don't agree with everything that Drakeford has done (I'm not a Labour supporter btw) but I do think he's been a damn sight better than the conveyor belt of Tory PMs over the last few years.

I have lived in Wales and I have lived in England and to me, there is no contest on where I'd rather be. You have choices but I think you would be very blinkered to think that the grass is greener over the border.

That’s your evidence for the Tories trashing the economy?

Also, THAT'S NOT A CHALLENGE TO CREATE MORE.

(Just felt I should spell that out, given recent Tory cabinet members' tendency to say, "Hold my beer...")

Well, since the Full Fact analysis that a pp linked to could not determine that any financial harm was caused, I’d say that my view was well within a reasonable range of conclusions.

What Truss’s mistake plainly didn’t do was wreck the economy, on any measure.

Not a LibDem? How fascinating. That’s a three pipe problem. You write about English schooling, so not Plaid or the SNP. And I think we’re eye-to-eye on the present Israel issue, so you’re not a Galloway-ite. Hmmm.

You’re not a Tankie are you? Or a Cornish nationalist?

Only not convincing because you have decided the majority of women will make it a vote affecting issue. What would you have ticked in that survey?
Who is anti women by the way? As other posters have pointed out, there are lots of ways to be pro women and lots of reasons to think there are issues in play at this election not based on sex which will have a massively detrimental effect on women if handled incorrectly.
And nobody has picked up Brexit because it’s pointless to. It’s done. It can’t be undone in one term. And nobody wants to let Tories lie endlessly about it at another election. Not even Tories, it seems.

WTF?

The Full Fact analysis did determine some financial harm had been caused!

It could quantify an impact on the Treasury's bottom line.

What it couldn't do is quantify the impact on the economy. Some people argue that Truss's Travesty had a very large impact and lasting damage; others argue that markets and policy were (in Feb) the what they would have been without Truss.

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying , you're not a very reliable reporter, are you?

If it didn’t matter Starmer would not have changed tack, or span it a bit so it looked to be the case.

Women are having an impact, some to great personal cost. Die hard Labour voters contribute ‘no one cares’ as many times as they can

Thank fuck not everyone is like that we’d still be in full and proud Self ID land

All gratitude to women who speak up.