What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

No it didn’t.

I don’t think anyone on here has said ‘no one cares’ have they? Apologies if they have and I missed it. It’s a long thread.
What people seem to be saying is that it won’t influence voting. I think they are right. For one thing, Tories have the same views. They are only lately saying anything different and nobody believes them anymore. About anything.

You really have to stop telling people what they think.
70 million people do not think the same as you, or have the same values.

These people don’t help whatsoever but that’s the point

If we all did the same we wouldn’t have changed anything

Tf so many do something beyond fulfilling Labour’s wish that women stop talking about it

Where did I tell anyone what they think?
Do you mean where I said nobody believes the Tories? Fair cop I suppose. But I do think it’s true of anyone who isn’t so dyed in the wool Tory that they don’t care.

It really did.

Read it again.

The debate on transgender rights is one of the foremost frontlines of the ‘culture wars’, a series of arguments on social justice that also encompasses topics like Britain’s colonial history, Black Lives Matter and free speech in universities.
But despite Westminster’s fixation with such issues – alongside sections of the media and twitter – the public themselves are far less invested. Two thirds of Britons say they pay little attention (42%) or no attention (24%) to the debate in the media and politics about trans rights.

This is from a couple of years ago (May 2022), but not sure how much will have changed:
https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

‘Trans rights’ again

Me either idgaf about trans rights

I do though about males in female sports etc. They should ask a focus group a question on that.

If you bother to read the link, it covers that and many other issues.

I thought this finding was interesting:

While some activists on either side of the trans rights debate might see the issue in black and white terms, and expect that the public do so as well, it is important to stress that this is not the case. Very few Britons took a blanket view of trans issues across our survey.

Looking at how respondents answered across our battery of 23 transgender questions, just three people gave the ‘less permissive’ answer on trans rights every single time, and only two respondents gave the ‘more permissive’ answer to all 23 questions. In both cases, this represents a statistical 0% of our 1,751-strong sample.

I wonder though what on earth posters get out of dismissing it as impacting women

Elite sports women having to get fairness back, refuges for women only, males getting more aggressive each year with violence and threats

What kind of person spends their energy trying to enable males in women’s spaces?

It’s unfathomable. I mean I get Labour is all but really it’s such an own goal.

When people understand that changing gender does not mean surgery and that a burly bloke could be changing next to their young daughter at the pool they get interested very quickly.

We get it. You want it to be framed as women’s rights. I don’t disagree, for what it’s worth. But it’s not called that in current discourse, so articles and reports that say they are about trans rights are what you’ll get. People mean the same by it as you mean when you say Women’s rights.

When some of us say women’s rights we mean lots of other areas of policy too (and yes, I get that who counts as a woman is important in all of them, but they are different debates).

You know most people aren’t expending their energy for any such thing? Not even Labour supporters?

Yes it’s why an image of a male cuts through

Where dull old surveys about ‘transgender rights’ that even I dgaf about is purposely at the bottom of the pile

I read it several times. Where does it say that harm had been caused?

And, anyway, why would any harm from Truss’s poor plans (there wasn’t any) mean that amounts to ‘trashing the economy’?

Brown’s imprudent gold self-off cost us money, but it didn’t ‘trash the economy’.

Brown’s pension raid is estimated to have cost £250bn in investment in UK equities. But he didn’t ’trash the economy’.

Have any posters dismissed it? I haven't. Don't put words in my mouth please.
What I did say was that the survey I linked to looks at sports and other issues. On sport, it says:

The public are strongly opposed to trans women athletes participating in women’s sporting events, by 61% versus just 16% who are supportive.

It is not clear, however, how much of this is represents acceptance of the argument that trans women athletes have an unfair advantage, because Britons also tend to be opposed to transgender men competing in men’s events. Such opposition is lower, however, at 48%, with 29% in favour.

Changing rooms:

When it comes to access to gender-specific facilities, attitudes are consistently more permissive towards granting access to transgender men than transgender women. Willingness also depends on the facility in question, with people more concerned about allowing access to changing rooms than toilets.

While Britons are split on whether trans women should be allowed to use women’s toilets (38% say they should, 41% say they should not), they tend to be opposed to allowing trans women to use women’s changing rooms, by 43% to 34%.

Britons tend to be ok with trans men using men’s changing rooms (42% say they should be allowed, 34% say they should not), although they are slightly more circumspect about granting access to men’s changing rooms (40% say it should be allowed, 36% say it should not).

Rather than argue for change some die hard Labour supporters spend time posting links to surveys on ‘transgender rights’

Women who care won’t appreciate the work against what they are doing, TRAs and MRAs however will be grateful

Anyway, I expect I'll get accused of being a man or a TRA/MRA shortly as has happened on other threads, so I'll confine myself to saying that the survey is interesting.

One of the findings was really surprising and not what I would have expected.

People report TRA accusations

It doesn’t mean what posters are doing won’t be appreciated by them

All for the Labour party

Oh, almost as predicted.

I am actually slightly gender critical on some issues. Like the survey found, I and lots of people don't have blanket views.

Nope I said they would appreciate your efforts

They will.

I didn’t call anyone a TRA. I’m sure you feel you are ‘slightly gender critical’ I can’t say anything you’ve posted reflects that.

I said "almost as predicted."

That's not what the analysis says.

The Conservatives would be mad to try to use that to claim that Truss and Kwarten didn't harm the economy. The simple fact is that people know what happened to their mortgages, to fuel bills, and to prices in the shops, and they know that all that happened under the Tories. If they don't want to blame Truss and Kwarteng, then Johnson, Sunak and Hunt have to take their share of blame, which is actually fair enough.

Still true. That’s who you’re helping for Labour

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