What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

Good factual post @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying

A reaction to a specific scandal is no indication of public opinion on a principle. There’s some real barrel scraping happening now.

No at all and obviously you are holding onto a survey that supplies zero evidence for your entrenched pro male views.

That survey indicates that there’s so little concern about the trans issue that it didn’t make the list. My views are far from pro men @EasternStandard. I was a feminist when you were in nappies. Are you really so entrenched in your views that you can’t tolerate any disagreement?

Last I heard, Michelle Mone's company was still under investigation by the National Crime Agency, and she herself was still under investigation by the Lords.

So, not yet found to be anything.

And indeed, to be fair, she is a Tory peer, not a Tory minister.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67748301

I thought the High Court found the VIP lane to have been in breach of the obligation of equal treatment and therefore illegal.

Posters are forgetting Labour reacted to Isla Bryson by shifting on the issue, superficially at least in an attempt to avoid similar

That spin was due to wanting ‘to avoid the "mistakes" made by the Scottish government’ as quoted

That backlash worked, from women who cared tf

The Test and Trace program was still an expensive failure

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/

BTW, if I'm out-of-date with that about Mone, please do update me. I may have missed something.

Someone earlier was talking about the polls being wrong. Have the polls been consistently wrong for over two years now? Current poll overlaps slightly with the speaker controversy and seems to have done Labour no harm so far and Rochdale doesn't seem to have done any real damage:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48724-voting-intention-con-20-lab-46-20-21-feb-2024

YouGov add an interesting footnote:

All polls are subject to a wide range of potential sources of error. On the basis of the historical record of the polls at recent general elections, there is a 9 in 10 chance that the true value of a party’s support lies within 4 points of the estimates provided by this poll, and a 2 in 3 chance that they lie within 2 points.

Mortgage rates increased after the -proposed - mini budget because the lenders feared the inflationary pressure - the sort you’d get from increased public spending. But they fell back quickly because there was no mini-budget.

So your argument is that Truss was going to trash the economy but wasn't allowed to because it was obvious that she was trashing the economy and was therefore forced to resign when the pound went into free-fall, mortgage rates soared and the Bank of England was forced into a £65billion bailout of pensions, so we're still all good for Tory fiscal responsibility? Bearing in mind that the Tories made her PM because of her promised tax cuts that caused all the chaos and are therefore also responsible for what happened?

That's what you're saying?

Yes, that is a moment to remember. How he used protocol to favour himself, involving the Queen in it.

Someone earlier was talking about the polls being wrong.

I expect those by-elections are also wrong.

No, not the VIP lane: one contract decision. So tiny a breach that the court refused to make a declaration of unlawfulness. That is the sum total of the ‘low hanging fruit’ challenges brought.

What an appalling waste of public money for the courts - inc. the Court of Appeal - to have to sit and decide these misconceived and political cases. As far as I recall, the GLP had now abandoned cases against the government because it has been told by the courts that it had no standing to bring them. Yup, politicised ‘lawfare’ that has wasted public money.

Funny, though, I never hear the GLP apologising for wasting public money.

No doubt they will declare Labour are finished when "gorgeous" (yuk) George wins Rochdale.

I’ve never heard the Tories apologise for wasting public money either, despite it running into billions and denuding public services of funding. Funny that.

What an appalling waste of public money for the courts - inc. the Court of Appeal - to have to sit and decide these misconceived and political cases
Agree

As far as I recall, the GLP had now abandoned cases against the government because it has been told by the courts that it had no standing to bring them.
Good

This is an interesting one and quite a large sample size:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48188-how-does-voting-intention-differ-by-housing-tenure

Er, no. I’m saying she was foolish to have not foreseen the market reaction. But having abandoned it, and resigned, she did not trash the economy.

By the way, the Treasury didn’t spend £65bn. It waded in to the gilt market to support government debt after the pensions industry made reckless moves to sell. The Treasury made £3.5bn profit on those gilts.

Are you Labour’s economic advisor?

Crikey, you and I seem to have different ideas of trashing the economy.

You seem to think that if the economy-trashing is fixed and the PM resigns over it, we're all good.

Liz Truss was a Tory PM, she sent the country into economic meltdown and was forced to resign after a humiliating 45 days but you don't think this says anything about the Tory's record on fiscal responsibility?

Mad.

Thank you for responding. I don't follow the Good Law Project and had to look up who you were referring to.

I’ve never heard Labour apologise for wasting hundreds of billions during Blair’s and Brown’s terms.

If PFI wasn’t a Labour fuck up (yes, yes, started under the Tories, but eagerly expanded massively by Brown) that needs apologising for, why should anyone apologise for any waste ever?

Let’s be real about this.

Whoever gets in take note the economy is taking a dive.

Women,
Trans
Disabled,
Children.
The sick

We're all stuffed. I reckon seven years minimum. Labour has observed the shit show in Wales and dialled back the eco obsession with cars, farming, because we can't afford it just now.

Yes, we can all agree that 14 years of Tory mess will take time to clean up.