What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

"Evidence" that voters don't care about women's rights is deffo invalid if women's rights are not even a question on the ticky-box survey.

Labour can't fix productivity and are even more identity focused than the tories, who have shifted since Cameron to be more like new Labour anyway.
Both reeves and starmer have both been clear they are not going to fund public services any more than they are now so I don't know why their supporters keep pushing that they will, its not in their policy position.

I'm not sure streeting was a ring leader, bit definitely a member at one point. His level of involvement is a bit unclear and some thing he needs to clarify

Madigan at the same time was being lauded by some members of the Labour Party including Angela Raynor while women's complaints were ignored

And Wes is the best of them, worrying to hear his involvement in that.

I think it’s more, ”the Tories have done everything wrong! Their policies are appalling! So Labour’s going to, er, do much the same”.

There really isn’t any strong reason to vote Labour. This government is tired and needs replacing. But Buggins turn is the long and short of it.

The Covid anti-fraud and anti-fast-track commitments are a hoot though. Since every case taken to court has ended with the courts saying that the procurement was lawful - and those were the most promising cases to bring against the government - it’s going to be amusing to see what these ‘policies’ achieve.

Na. Wes is awful and shouldn't even be an MP.

I completely agree with you.

He showed a disregard for democratic principles even back when he was Cambridge University Student Union president, affiliating CUSU with Abortion Rights when three years earlier the students had had a referendum on doing that and rejected it. He then had the nerve to whine about it when someone (CathSoc or the pro-life society, I can't recall which) took legal action.

I'm as pro-choice as they come, but if you don't have a mandate to affiliate with AR you don't affiliate, simples. It's not about abortion, it's about respecting democracy.

I didn't see all this fuss for Johnson proroguing Parliament and lying to the Queen- because he knew a vote wouldn't go his way- that to me was way more serious

Labour had better hope there isn’t a pandemic or energy shocks then.

And could you actually detail what the Tory financial mismanagement has been? As far as I can tell, the major objection is that they don’t spend enough. Is that the terrible irresponsibility you mean?

Quite. In fact in that case the outcome ("Get Brexit done") was deemed reasonable justification for breaking the law.

The Conservatives are such massive hypocrites it's untrue. We need a GE now.

And could you actually detail what the Tory financial mismanagement has been? As far as I can tell, the major objection is that they don’t spend enough. Is that the terrible irresponsibility you mean?

wtf? Have you actually forgotten about Liz Truss that you can ask this question with a straight face?

Liz Truss hasn’t cost the economy anything.

Do you not have a mortgage?

A lack of investment in public infrastructure is a false economy. Hospitals and schools held up by scaffolding. Delaying NHS work force plans. Not enough teachers. Not enough focus on social care - something from the last manifesto - and the part it plays in conjunction with the NHS. Throwing money at poorly conceived and unworkable policies. Brexit sapping endless time & resources, not just in Parliament but for industry - and it's still not bloody done. Oven ready deal my arse.

They spent £120 million on a festival of Brexit. £900,000 on repainting a plane. The pay outs to the many ejected PMs & Ministers. Drops in the ocean of government spending but still wasteful and frankly comedic.

And yes my mortgage went up & pension went down after Truss.

The interest rate went up due to her kamikaze budget, that means our countries debt repayments are higher. Debt is more than GDP so yes that decision cost the economy.

I don't know if you remember but noone was very interested in buying gilts when Truss had the mini budget because we weren't seen as a good investment.

You missed out the opaque, but spiralling, costs of Rwanda.

The cost of the Bibby Stockholm, moored on land rented from a major Conservative donor.

The Covid money that benefited Conservative peer Michelle Mone, and the general covid fraud.

Teesport, Ben Heuchen and Michael Gove.

The childcare provisions in the budget, that benefited Akshata Murthy, wife of the PM.

There are loads more, but that's just off the top of my head.

Basically though, if the Conservatives are so great at financial management how come we have had increasing national debt and falling credit ratings ever since they came to power in 2010?

Because it wasn’t enough of a concern to even make the list. That graph shows you quite clearly the issues that voters care about and will form the rationale for their voting decisions.

Where have either Reeves or Starmer said that? Increased funding will be achieved by deprioritising existing money. No Rwanda for a start.

Trafficking will cost increasing amounts to deal with and if no deterrent even higher as numbers will go up

That’s a given for any country that hasn’t put in a strong deterrent policy

Mortgage rates increased after the -proposed - mini budget because the lenders feared the inflationary pressure - the sort you’d get from increased public spending. But they fell back quickly because there was no mini-budget.

Interest rates gradually increased afterwards in line with expectations that pre-dated Truss.

Part of the inflationary worry and higher mortgage rates was lower tax but higher spending through the energy price guarantee. The guarantee did happen. Were you opposed to that?

I don’t disagree that Truss was foolish. But the (successful) Labour attack on the Tories trashing the economy is dishonest.

As is the falsehood about £37bn wasted on the covid app:

https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-NHS-app-test-and-trace/

The fraud by the government, not on the government, on covid procurement is another whopper.

As is the ‘Shapps insisted on ULEZ expansion’.

I accept that politics is a dirty business. But mass campaigns of lies about opponents don’t improve anything for anyone.

How did they choose which topics go on the survey?

If ‘no one cares’ as a few posters try to claim Isla Bryson would not have caused the backlash it did

Overlooking Gove's role in the VIP lane and the failures to investigate companies isn't something the Government can wash their hands from. Nor do I think the relationships have been fully exposed.

And we all remember the summer before the energy price increases and Truss's refusal to even discuss it because it didn't fit with her tax cutting campaign.

Not a single minister, not one, has been found to have acted improperly.

The GLP lost every time.

This attempt to get grubby political points from the government’s industrial policy response to a pandemic is a farce.