What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

Is the question framed as 'trans rights/issues' rather than the rights and safety of women and girls by any chance? 🙄

Asking about ‘trans issues’ in a survey isn’t right. I care and women’s sex based rights a lot and even I wouldn’t place that highly as I don’t care about trans. Their issues should be left to their class to solve not mine

Ask direct questions about women, our sports, refuges etc

It’s rigged towards men. It needs to be about women first

Precisely this.

I don't think the survey framed anything, but just asked people to set out their main concerns. I don't know what the 🙄 is for.

ETA: the survey asked

Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.

I am not sure whether trans rights or women's rights were actually on the list of options to tick, to be fair. So maybe that survey doesn't prove anything one way or the other in terms of people's feeling about those issues.

How many women have gone to tribunal now because they lost their jobs over this?

With a few notable exceptions like JKR, most of the women who've been hounded have been "Janet Smith next door".

How many women have gone to tribunal now because they lost their jobs over this?

No idea. Maybe you could tell me. Enough to have discernible impact on the outcome of a general election?

Unless you think YouGov has been infiltrated by trans activists who would disclose personal information?

It's not impossible. Mumsnet was. So was the Labour Party, with their "Labour Against Transphobia" activist group putting women's names and constituencies into a Google Drive spreadsheet that had no password and no requirement to login in order to use it.

Your question is a non-sequitur. My point is that ordinary women are scared to discuss this openly for fear of backlash, loss of jobs, etc, so your statement that women not talking about it means that they don't care is flawed.

Was that group officially recognised by the Labour Party or funded by them? Do you have a link, please?

Got to love someone wittering on about how everyone they know is worried that Labour will crash the economy and then in the same breath telling people that Labour won't be able to fix public services when they get in because there isn't any money. Why isn't there any money after 14 years of Tory government?

The days of trying to position the Tories as the party of fiscal responsibility are long gone. They have crashed the economy and trashed the country. Everyone knows it and everyone can see it.

I didn’t say women weren’t talking about it. I said that the vast majority of voters won’t give it any consideration in their voting decision. I’ve even presented some evidence - unfashionable around here as it is.

And the evidence is flawed as has been pointed out to you.

So not proving a point as not listed

Where has it been pointed out? Please show me the post.

The YouGov survey is not evidence of anything. The topic wasn’t listed

It was a Facebook group made up of Labour party members, some of whom were officials, who improperly used their access to Labour Party records to create a list of women who they would then try to have expelled from the Labour Party.

That it was unofficial is unimportant. What matters is that some Labour Party officials were willing to abuse personal data in this way. This has a chilling effect on the willingness of all women in the Party to speak out. Apply that fear of being witchhunted at work or in any organisation to women everywhere and it becomes clear why we are silent unless we can be anonymous.

Maybe I am missing something but where does women's rights appear on the list that people got to choose from on the poll you linked to?

Multiple-choice and other forms of closed-ended questions are a very effective way to silence opinions that the questioner doesn't want to hear.

Indeed.

I do like this evidence is flawed argument,

I take it that it applies to all evidence, including Hoyle bending to Starmer's will?

Streeting was a member of this group I believe.

Maybe you should read and understand what is being said before commenting.

It's hard to keep up with the direction this thread is going

So which evidence is flawed and which isn't?

It doesn’t. The pp linking it didn’t check

He was the ringleader. Glinner documented it at the time: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/sorry-wes-streeting-this-isnt-good

So did the Speccy: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-refusal-to-accept-the-definition-of-a-woman/

And women were suspended and expelled because of this group's doxxing: https://risingeast.co.uk/labour-activist-jennifer-james-suspended-party-transphobic-campaign/

We had threads too:

• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3149201-Labour-against-transphobia-group-thread-2