What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

The trans issue is an obsession on the part of a small number of single issue voters. I never hear it mentioned outside MN. It won’t be a consideration for 99.9% of voters

I think that you mean women's rights and yes. lots and lots of people are discussing this out there. You are the one in an echo chamber it seems.

I know what I mean @Dogfisher. And that’s exactly what I said.

‘Concrete’ was the operative word.

There’s nothing in that at all except vague promises. Any party could do that. No doubt the Tories will do.

What steps, for example, will Labour take on our sadly depleted armed forces? You don’t need to be in power to decide to reallocate money to the military.

What real world things will they do to lower street and neighbourhood crime?

What actual changes to the NHS will they make?

Is nationalisation of utilities and other industries proposed?

We’re told the Tories have done bad things in health, social care, policing, immigration and elsewhere. Those bad things are presumably identifiable. So what good things does Labour propose to put them right?

I must say that I’m intrigued by the “1,000 strong” immigrant returns unit. That should make for some interesting headlines if people keep protesting against deportations. And it’ll be a busy unit if illegal immigration doesn’t reduce drastically. I suppose “smashing the criminal gangs” will achieve that - not that the UK, France, Germany and Italy haven’t been trying that for many years.

Overall, though, I find those commitments quite reassuring. Most Tories could sign up to them.

And just because YOU don't hear people discussing it you arrogantly conclude that it is not a consideration for 99.9% of voters. I am pointing out that you are very wrong because I know that it IS being discussed and people, women in particular, are fucking angry about it. Dismiss us at your peril when it comes to votes.

And the fact that you have to frame this issue as the 'trans issue obsession' rather than what it is - the rights and safety of women and girls - says such a great deal about you.

Yes that phrase gives it away

The worst thing about your post is the false hope you are peddling that public services are going to magically improve under Labour

The only people who go on about Labour voters' expectations that things will "magically improve" under Labour or that they will "perform miracles" or "improve things over night" are non Labour voters.

Has any single poster on this thread said any of the above? Or on any of the political threads?

Labour voters are not deluded thickos.

We all know it is going to take a long time to reverse the damage the Tories have done. It will be hard and painful and some of the damage probably isn't reversible.

Is it really necessary to be personal, rude and offensive? There’s nothing arrogant about pointing out that the vast majority of the voting population doesn’t give a stuff about the trans issue. It doesn’t even feature in lists of voting priorities. I care passionately about women’s rights - and have done for over 50 years. I don’t agree with you. Get used to it.

That’s low expectation and achievement management from the top drawer!

Did I miss it in the verbiage, or is there still no credible answer as to why the Tories dodged voting on their own amendment?

So now you want Labour to pretend that the UK's many problems are easily solved?

If that were the case why hasn't the Conservatives fixed them? What message of hope are the Conservatives offering?

Personal, rude and offensive - how, where?

It is the very definition of arrogant for anyone - not just you - to assume that because THEY don't care about something then no-one does.

There’s nothing arrogant about pointing out that the vast majority of the voting population doesn’t give a stuff about the trans issue

My point is that you do not know this to be true. And, once again, it is not the 'trans issue' it is a women's rights issue.

It’s realism. What Labour inherits from the Tories’ scorched earth policy will take years, probably at least a decade to repair. One minute we’re believers in magic, the next we have low expectations - make up your minds.

Ah, so thinking things will "magically improve" is wrong.

Thinking there is a long and difficult road ahead is also wrong.

I’m not assuming. I’ve already pointed that the trans issue doesn’t even appear in surveys of priorities for voting intentions. Women’s rights cover every aspect of life so you can argue with my terminology until the cows come home. I’m not going to change it.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

But if the trans issue is of such importance, surely if anything people will wonder why all of this trans stuff that people are so worried about now has happened under this government anyway? The Tavistock scandal, the way it’s being handled in schools. All under this government, sorry to say. They are only now emboldened in saying a man can’t become a woman because there has been some international backlash against it, mainly in sports. Before that not a peep.

And, once again, it is not the 'trans issue' it is a women's rights issue.

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And once again women’s rights cover every aspect of life so you can argue with my terminology until the cows come home. I’m not going to change it.

Liz Truss is very concerned about trans activism. Not sure it will win the Tories any votes though, as Truss thinks it is all part of a wider conspiracy.

Meanwhile, 30p Lee stirs up racial hatred and puts Khan in the firing line.

Can you think of any reasons why women may not admit to being concerned about this? JKR? Rosie Duffield?

It’s women’s sex based rights

‘Trans issues’ is more about male rights

Yeah of course. Because Janet Smith next door’s definitely going to get publicly vilified. 🙄

No, still no credible answer

So much for
"This government will have integrity, professionalism and accountability, at every level"

Yes and it's clear who prioritises which set of rights from their posts. And then they have the audacity to tell women who care very much that no-one cares.

I can understand that women might want to make their views public on social media or at work for fear of a backlash.

But there is no reason not to say they are concerned about trans issues as part of a survey. No one would be able to identify who said what from the information published. Unless you think YouGov has been infiltrated by trans activists who would disclose personal information?

You clearly know nothing about this situation AT ALL. Women are vilified for speaking up at every turn on this issue.