What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

Starmer stayed at the Radisson Blu Hotel in Durham - the hotel confirmed its restaurant was serving food outside, on its terrace until 9pm - plus room service.

So why did Starmer tell so many lies about his evening?

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The bit you're glossing over re Beergate is that there were exemptions for work events

Forget the rules then - why did Starmer tell so many lies about his evening in Durham?

The best thing about Starmer’s curry is the amount of bitter headspace some people are still clearly giving it.

No idea - why did Boris and co tell so many lies about theirs? I mean, they were going to be defended to the hilt by the Tory press, whereas KS knew he was going to be hounded to hell and back by selfsame press.

I mean, if you're going to talk about who told the most lies here, there's a clear winner.

Bitter? That's not in my nature at all - it's only politics.

What a fuss over Lindsay Hoyle, he has apologised and that should be the end of it. Hardly comparable with Boris Johnson and his cronies and their blatant disregard for rules. And as for Liz Truss crashing the economy and affecting millions of folk. I have come to the conclusion that this is all posturing point scoring by the Tories. Not a good look IMHO.

You imply that decriminalising self-managed abortion is anti-woman. That is satire, yes?

Go on, do “Donkey Field”, you know you want to.

I mean, surely you get bored of dragging up the same old stuff from years ago when the Tories are providing new material every week.

I mean even today we have Lee Anderson being a massive racist.

No, it isn't. There is no benefit to society from prosecuting these women. Abortion should be purely a healthcare matter. Ideally we'd go as far as New Zealand has and make abortion after 20 weeks a matter between a woman and her medical team. Either way, a law that potentially puts women in jail for having a late miscarriage, a law that allows clincians to break confidentiality, a law that dates back to the 19th century - such a law has no place on our statute books in the 21st century. Such a law is anti-woman in every respect. Replacing it is pro-woman.

Come on. Its not that clear cut. The risk to Labour MPs was from their constituents if they felt unable to vote for a ceasefire. A lot of MPs of all persuasions would be uncomfortable with the SNP proposal because it didn't condemn Hamas; the Labour MPs even more so because of the anti semitism problem under corbyn.

If process was followed the MPs would only get the choice of calling for a ceasefire without condemning Hamas or a humanitarian pause. Neither of which are actually what most MPs want.

Hoyle and Starmer were both doing their job. Hoyle in trying to support all members to achieve a representative outcome. Starmer to keep his party united and provide an opposition.

It is amazing for such a weak flip flopping leader really . #sarcasm

Conservative DARVO

https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1760732426655912139

Starmer wasn’t doing his job, he got away with urging the speaker to change process and Hoyle saved his bacon due to safety reason

You ‘come on’

It’s ridiculous but at least Starmer only gets to do it once. He’s run out of ways to avoid the factions in his party. Good.

Ha! I don't think so. But this isn't really about starmer. It's about the speaker trying to do his job and getting thrown to the wolves by the SNP and the Tories.

I cannot express how disgusted I am that those parties chose, and continue to choose, to play politics with a really important issue. They could act like democratic representatives and try to represent the majority British view, but no, they had to use the opportunity to collude to try to sink labour for their own party political reasons before the GE.

I could forgive that if they'd taken it on the chin when it didn't work but smearing the speaker is unforgivable in my book. It's like those crazy people who shout abuse at referees when a decision doesn't go their way.

Increasingly I think we need a written constitution and proper sanctions for unparliamentary behaviour.

Cheers 🍻

Where are you getting the idea the snp and tories colluded? You appear to have read into things a bit too far in your determination that Starmer could never do wrong.

Yes I get you ‘love’ Starmer so your posts are not surprising

You are hardly going to acknowledge his actions to avoid a 100 MP revolt.

OK, it was satire. I think we should have the same law as NI, where what a woman does herself to abort is decriminalised throughout pregnancy but what medics can do is regulated.

This doesn't alter that Labour will introduce self-id and weaken the Equality Act single-sex exemptions if they get into power.

From the fact they are both under threat of decimation by Labour at the next election so have a shared interest in weakening the party, and from the fact they proposed amendments at the opposite ends of the spectrum knowing Labour MPs couldn't vote for either.

The fact Mordaunt was forced to pull her amendment shows that. She knew her government would lose, and there would be rebellions. It was put forward to trap Labour, not as actual policy.

Colluding might be too strong a word, they may not have actually discussed it, but both sides were more interested in forcing a Labour rebellion than they actually believed in their policy. And both sides are now having a toddler tantrum because they got caught by the adults. Serves them right. They should be acting like adults and actually debating the UK position on Gaza, not playing politics with murdered Israelis and Gazan civilians.

Labour are the ones with the weak position on this hence the potential revolt and avoidance

Starmer avoided it and Hoyle helped out but it doesn’t resolve the core issue for Labour

As @LimeViewer intelligently pointed out the voting couldn’t go with the SNP for a U.K. gov position

I agree on the NI option. The point is that a Labour MP is proposing something that is fully pro-woman.

Apart from that you've drunk the Kool-Aid on Labour re self-ID and trans, but this is MN so not surprising.

Better the devil you know.

Here for the die hard Tory’s cumming their pants at the thought that this will cost labour the election. Meanwhile in the real world absolutely no one gives a shit about some protocols in the HoC, other than to think the whole lot of them looked completely idiotic. The British public want a ceasefire. End of. I’ve not heard any real world criticism for the speaker today. In fact most right wing commentators I’ve heard have been quite sympathetic to him. He will not resign. There are reports coming out today that he was threatened by Simon Heart whilst there is no evidence whatsoever that Starmer pressured him. Get a grip.

There is a lack of critical thinking sigh

How pleasant this is 😂