What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Edited as I forgot to quote the poster I was replying to, so post makes no sense (yes you could say that about all my posts!😃).

AdamRyan
Mordaunt also wanted to avoid revolt, so pulled her amendment because she knew loads of her MPs supported Labours motion more than the Conservative one and would rebel to vote for it. Why aren't you talking about that? It's the same thing.

There's no evidence to back up the claim that loads of Conservative MPs supported Labour's amendment - a few had threatened to abstain (on Labour's amendment) rather than vote against it. Loads of Conservative MPs walked out in protest at Hoyle's decision - that doesn't suggest loads backed Labour's amendment. One problem for the Conservatives was that they were listed last. The MP I heard on LBC (I forget his name) said that they were worried they would run out of time to vote on their amendment.

The outcome is parliament passed an amendment that actually reflected the majority view. That's a good thing.

Although there has been some discussion as to whether the deputy speaker also made a mistake - in that perhaps she mistook the furore in the chamber as 'aye' and the amendment passed prematurely.

So I take it you'll be providing some actual evidence then? Because without that, it's not fact - just conspiracy theory.

Who knew Keir Starmer could wield that much power, will he be bending spoons soon?

I thought he was supposed to be weak?!

Errrr greasing palms is not a new concept 🙄

You can be weak AND corrupt.

You were manipulated into thinking that, doh!

He’s dodging something that is a problem

So yes atm avoidant. If he’s going to lead he can’t really have 100 MPs backing something like the SNP motion

That was the issue

True. Johnson is a prime example.

BIossomtoes

Your chart doesn't include the bank bailout under Gordon Brown or PFI (both off the books):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/ruto/pusf

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-blair-gordon-brown-carillion-capita-financial-crash-a8202661.html

"Errrr greasing palms is not a new concept"

Well we know that. The last few years have revealed it spectacularly.

Any actual "evidence" or did it go to a different school or something.

@Newchapterbeckons are you seriously accusing Keir Starmer of bribery here? Because you'll need to 1) report that to the police, 2) back it up with evidence or 3) be guilty of actual libel.

Shame the Met wasn’t “bent” when they investigated No 10.

cardibach
He really didn’t break the law. As both police and anyone with any memory of the rules can confirm.

Whether Starmer broke the rules or not we know he told a pack of lies about his evening: he lied about how many people were with him (Starmer said 'about 6' people were with him - the correct answer was 16), he lied when he said his hotel wasn't serving food that evening, he lied when he said all the pubs and restaurants were shut, he lied about the curry not being pre-planned...
Labour HQ lied (twice) when they said Angela Rayner wasn't there...

So no actual evidence of greasing palms then?

Newchapter was very specific in her allegation.

@Clavinova . One problem for the Conservatives was that they were listed last. The MP I heard on LBC (I forget his name) said that they were worried they would run out of time to vote on their amendment
But withdrawing the amendment had the same effect as there being no time to vote on it , didn't it ? So why bother ?
Or am I missing something ?

Durham Police were certainly lenient. Labour's North Durham MP, Kevan Jones, and a County Durham Mayor (also Labour) both attended an indoor birthday party on 10 May 2020 (Boris Johnson's birthday party was 19 June 2020). Partygoers were supposed to be joining in from their own front gardens but it was raining;

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18484861.mp-kevan-jones-defends-decision-attend-100th-birthday-party-lockdown/

amberedover1
But withdrawing the amendment had the same effect as there being no time to vote on it, didn't it ? So why bother?
Or am I missing something?

They were making a protest at perceived favouritism.
The headlines have not been great for Starmer.

@Clavinova and of course you are fully aware that the rules were different in 2020 than in 2021. So you aren't being deliberately disingenuous.

And since we've had the whole thing about Labour misogyny on this thread, here's some more evidence of how much Labour hates women

The Kevan Jones party was May 2020.

The rules for Boris Johnson's birthday party in June 2020 were fairly similar to those in effect for Starmer's evening in April 2021 - both allowed groups of up to 6 people to socialise outdoors - one of my nieces had a birthday party outdoors the same week as Boris Johnson's party. The pubs and restaurants in Durham during Starmer's visit were open for outdoor eating (in groups of up to 6). Starmer dined outdoors the evening before Durham, in Hull - on that evening he posed for performative photographs, outdoors, socially distanced from the Hull MP and her colleague. The following evening he was having a cosy curry, indoors, with the Durham MP and a much larger group of people. When he was found out, Starmer tried to cover up how many people were there - plus other lies.

Guidance for MP constituency visits at the time advised only 2 people meeting together.

BBC
England was in the Step 2 rules, which had been introduced on 12 April.

Gathering indoors with people from outside your household or support bubble was against the law.

There was an exemption for "work purposes", although working from home was recommended in the guidance, but the rules did not mention socialising at work.

Sir Keir Starmer has told LBC Radio that, as pubs and restaurants were closed and his hotel was not serving food, "if you didn't get a takeaway then our team wasn't eating that evening".

Bars, pubs and restaurants were allowed to open outdoors for groups of six people or two households, but indoor service was not allowed.

I wasn't talking about Kevan Jones (who also wasn't the actual Prime Minister).

The bit you're glossing over re Beergate is that there were exemptions for work events. Which it was. And despite the Daily Mail instigated second investigation, no finding of lawbreaking was made.