Essex dog attack: Man arrested after woman dies in Jaywick

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Not much to say really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68197109

I used to spend my summers in Frinton-on-Sea with my Granny, Clacton was rough but not as bad as parts are now.

The poor boy has had so much tragedy in his life. First his mother dies then his grandmother who might have been the only sensible adult in his life dies due to his father’s actions. It’s so sad. I can’t imagine someone like that is a good dad. I hope there’re some aunts and uncles who can step up and support him.

But there could be with a sufficiently bad owner who has been mistreating the dogs. Thankfully they don't look tough enough for those who want an aggressive dog.

It does worry me with the amount of Akitas, Belgian Malinois, Rotties, Cane corsos, Huskys and hybrids of the mentioned dogs on websites. All can be aggressive in the wrong hands and most aren't suited to tiny homes with little to no gardens. They also need massive amounts of exercise and training.

No one will disagree that this is a tragedy, but it is the shit owner, not the dog, to blame, you are massively overreacting and there is no need to put down innocent, well trained, socialised and controlled animals. If you are going to run such a reductive argument we should ban cars, junk food, alcohol etc.

No one is banning any breeds because they don't like the people that own them or the area they live in - it is their propensity to killing people that the public are not fond of.

I hope he’s prosecuted for manslaughter

Same.

He shouldn't have unregistered dogs, and he certainly shouldn't be breeding them. - everyone knew this legislation was coming in.

I believe there are children living in that house, too.

I've been accidentally bitten breaking uup a dogfight - it hurts like hell!

I can't even begin to imagine the pain and terror that poor woman suffered.

If there was a car, junk food or alcohol that randomly turned on and ripped apart members of the general public or their pets - people that had not bought the car/junk food or alcohol and wanted no part of it - then yes we should ban it.

Yep

The cavalier King Charles spaniels have been at it again, then?

I cant say I've heard anything negative about them

I certainly wouldn’t be saying anything negative to someone who owns 2 American bulldogs, if I’ve got that right. I’d be crossing the street and getting away from them as fast as possible. Has it ever crossed your mind that other normal people out and about might be absolutely petrified and will cross the street to get away from of a dog capable of ripping a grown man to bits?

No, you haven’t have you, because you’re only thinking about yourself. My ds is dog phobic and these breeds are particularly frightening if you come upon them in close quarters, off lead, unmuzzled when out in the countryside.

The “I want to own an ak47/puma” argument sums it up perfectly. Selfish people thinking only about themselves and not able to see the wider picture of how their behaviour affects others. Welcome to uk 2024, dreamy isn’t it🙄

The twat who owned these monsters most likely thought they were harmless little darlings, until they weren’t.

Imo a 2 level license system is the way:

Labradors, poodles, spaniels etc over here-> you generally don’t kill or seriously maim.

Gsd, Rottweiler, Doberman, staff etc anything bigger over here-> you lot will need much more scrutiny about who is owning you and your ability to handle and cater for those breeds needs. Muzzled in public (no moaning, owners)

Course it’s pie in the sky and will never happen. But until this is taken seriously the maulings will continue, and the idiot owners of these breeds will continue to say “it’s not the breed…”

I was stuck in A&E next to someone who insisted on showing me photos of her ‘fur baby’ XL Bully who had already been investigated by the police for jumping up at a passer-by and tearing her cardigan. The owner had been fined but allowed to keep the dog and of course “he was only playing, he’s just a big softie”. She told me with complete seriousness that if anyone came to remove him, she’d run away and hide him. I try not to be a snob but she absolutely fitted the profile you’d expect - when she wasn’t telling me about her XL, she was telling me how much she’d drunk before she fell over. I asked to be moved in the end and the nurse took pity on me.

My DB lives in Jaywick, just a couple of roads along from where this poor woman was killed.

It's such a shithole, he hardly leaves his house.

I can't understand why the puppies haven't been destroyed either.

As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong) it is now illegal to breed, sell or re-home one of these dogs - so what are they going to do with them? Let them have a life n a kennel? (15 years, perhaps?). Surely not..

I'd hate to be the vet who had to euthanise a healthy litter, but to my mind that's what has to be done. We need these dogs out of existence/ extinct as son as possible.

I hope for her sake that she doesn't get drunk one day and fall over not her "fur baby". The odds are it will rip her face off.

The twat who owned these monsters most likely thought they were harmless little darlings, until they weren’t.

On the contrary - he will have been well aware that these were living weapons that he could make money off by breeding, and that he could use to intimidate people, including the police.

@Lonelycrab
Of course I have. I can understand the fear around certain dogs, I've never stated otherwise. I also think for certain dogs there should be a criteria people have to meet. I'm not pro xl or pro pitbull.
I didnt like the judgement thrown towards people in lower class areas. Because we arent all the same. The problem is people seeing dogs as cash Cows and abusing them ( the wrong types) and then we end up with this. Yes alot from lower class but not all.
My dogs heel when walking past anyone. Or they stand between my legs. Not that I often street walk unless training with distractions . We go to the field. So the general public don't often see mine.
I do not expect anyone to like my dogs of course. But surely you and others can't expect me to only make decisions that you approve of?

I wouldnt know if anyone has avoided saying anything to me because they fear my dogs. But my neighbours do talk, alot. I'm sure if it has happened it will reach my ears at some point.

I can’t imagine someone like that is a good dad. I hope there’re some aunts and uncles who can step up and support him.

There is an aunt. She has spoken to the bbc about her mum, the things she enjoyed doing, and how she was getting her life back together after the loss of her daughter.

the sad fact is people dont report stuff. I bet you come summer we will all see dogs that should be muzzled as per new recent laws but many wont and no will report them

As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong) it is now illegal to breed, sell or re-home one of these dogs - so what are they going to do with them? Let them have a life n a kennel? (15 years, perhaps?). Surely not..

Plus, they are the progeny of a mating where both parents were destroyed following a fatal attack. These puppies are loaded guns in terms of genetics.

I've had a look at Jaywick, courtesy of Street View. Many of the houses do seem to be very well kept, gardens tidy with plants and shrubs or tubs, umbrellas and seating areas, and no rubbish dumped. Many of the residents clearly do take a pride in keeping their surroundings nice. But as pp said, there are some very derelict areas.

Those dogs are bred to be aggressive, mix that with fuckwit owners and you get a killing machine. The breed is dangerous and only a deluded fool won't accept that and come on a public forum the day after a woman was mauled to death ( think about that dog tearing chunks out of her) and state these animals are innocent.

The adult dogs were shot, presumably because of the threat they posed.

The puppies, it seems, were not such a threat and will be transferred to secure kennels whilst investigations continue.

As XL bully is a type defined by measurement (not parentage or DNA) they may have to wait until these dogs reach adulthood to see if they fit the proscribed measurements. But of course they are unlikely to be socialised and trained whilst at secure kennels, so even if they don't fit the banned dimensions and can be rehomed, they're going to be tricky dogs.

It’s repeated every time. A mauling and those types of posts.

The whole area needs razing to the ground and re-building. The people who live there need intensive support to break the poverty cycle and it needs ordinary working class people to move there. I’m not arguing for a full on gentrification, god knows how many decent working class areas have been fucked over by the middle class but it needs something and it needs it quickly.

When my DB bought his place there, his solicitor told him that there's some legality in the title that means that if it ever burned down or anything like that, it wouldn't be possible to rebuild it, ever, and that it applies to the whole area.

When he moved there, approx 25 years ago, there were all sorts of proposals, and funding, for regenerating and renovating the area, and there have been numerous attempts to do it over the years, but they all came to nothing. I wonder if the legal issues have been part of the problem.

But surely you and others can't expect me to only make decisions that you approve of?

Yes but that’s exactly the same argument as a “responsible” owner of a high powered assault weapon (that is legal to hold in the US) would make. I’m sure there are many responsible owners out there. But for every 100 responsible owners, there will be some that aren’t- that’s where the problem lies and people get killed.

So the solution is to make them illegal- or at least highly regulated and at the very least, muzzled in public, regardless of how responsible you’ve judged yourself to be.

Thankfully those aren’t legal here, and I doubt anyone supports that, and we’re far better off for it.

It’s not really that different to the owners of large, incredibly powerful, dangerous dogs.

It’s not a judgement about class btw- I think you’re making it about that, there are owners of large powerful dogs where I live in sleepy middle class Hampshire, but I do think that muzzling for larger powerful dogs should be accepted and encouraged by those tgat choose those breeds, but if you ever suggest that you are met with “oh he’s fine he wouldn’t hurt a fly”. “That’s infringing on my liberties “ and so on. I personally solve this problem by not choosing to own a dangerous animal for my own amusement, but hey, everyone’s different.