Essex dog attack: Man arrested after woman dies in Jaywick

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Not much to say really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68197109

Esther Martin had 4 DC, 3 of whom (1M, 2F) are still living. She had 8 DGC and 3DGGC. So yes, on his mother's side, the boy has two aunts and an uncle

@Lonelycrab
Honestly I do not disagree with what people are saying.
Yes I've probably got caught up on the class thing from earlier. That's my issue.

I've said on a different post maybe all dogs should be muzzled in public or leaded.if not licensed. Because surely the only way to stop ALL dog bites is to target all dogs. Because even with this ban in place it will not stop these tragedies. It may stop this particular breed but these people will find another. I know muzzling all will not happen, so maybe like you mentioned earlier a license. I do feel that is the best way to go. If someone cannot be bothered to get a license for a certain breed then they cannot have that breed, I do think some handling testing/training too. A license wouldn't be enough IMO

They have to be muzzled and on leads in public from 23rd February and they are not allowed to be sold, gifted or exchanged from this date either. They need to be exempted by July.

I've said on a different post maybe all dogs should be muzzled in public or leaded.if not licensed

Totally agree with the muzzles, it’s not that big a deal and would solve many problems although tragically not this case. And I’m not personally having a go at you as I know there are many good owners but the problem is some are not so something has got to be done.

edit to add licensing is so difficult as there aren’t the resources for much these days, so other solutions are needed

Much as I love dogs, including bull breeds, mastiffs etc I think the XL bully breed should all be neutered & allowed to die out.

In the meantime, muzzle & leash them when out.

The owners have proven time & time again that they can't be trusted to keep other pets, the public & even on occasion themselves safe from their dogs.

There are hundreds of other, less unstable & inbred breeds to choose from.

No one should be able to keep a dog that is physically capable of killing a human being. I don't give a shit how much they luffs dogs or how responsible they are.

It's for exactly the same reason that cat lovers aren't allowed to keep bloody cougars or lions as pets.

There's hundreds of other dog breeds to choose from. You know, dogs that aren't physically capable of killing a person.

The type of cretin that is drawn to owning one of these monsters isn't ever going to care about licensing, being responsible and proper training. So don't ever allow them the opportunity to indulge their ignorant stupidity by having no more XL bullies available to buy. Kill them all.

DH's cousin is a retired police dog handler. His dogs were superbly trained, obviously. But he never, ever left them alone with children because 'at the end of the day they're still just an animal.'

I think he should be facing a minimum of 10 years in prison.
I think all owners of dogs above a certain weight, should be made to muzzle them in public, its not a big deal to do so, unless you have issues about walking an animal that can no longer cause harm to others ?
The problem with a lot of these deaths related to dog attacks, is that it involves family members or people who are hard of thinking who didn't think the 'lovely' pet they re-homed would do such a thing. There is a level of lenience that wouldn't be the case if they had purposely set a dog on someone and yet the outcome is the same because the 'weapon' is the same.

I didnt like the judgement thrown towards people in lower class areas. Because we arent all the same. The problem is people seeing dogs as cash Cows and abusing them ( the wrong types) and then we end up with this. Yes alot from lower class but not all.

This is the problem though. Yes there are some people who are able to have a dog like this and care for them properly etc but to stop this problem one of two things needs to happen. Either licence the people or licence the dogs. It’s much easier to stop anyone owning this kind of dog (which not one single person needs to own, just like an AK47) than it is to judge every single person who wants to own this kind of dog.

Owning a pet is a privilege not a right.

Put the lot of them down. All bullies and pit bulls. No exception. There is fuck all reason for them to exist. And fuck anyone who gets sentimental about them. Disney ecology thinking. Wankers.

@SavageTomato I couldn’t agree more. The last few weeks I’ve seen them called “land seals, oh look at their little faces” and saw and heard comments such as “I’ll be blind if I saw one without a muzzle on, oh look it’s really a Jack Russell/Pomeranian/Chihuahua.” Seriously, anyone that thinks along these lines is deranged. I’ve also saw a few owners online recently who have a muzzle around the dogs neck saying “it’s legal it has a muzzle on.”

I live in Scotland and watched with horror at these things being shipped up here, many with bite histories, rehomed to flats and unsuitable housing without home checks being done and I watched the “heroes” that moved literally 100’s of dogs to have “freedom”. I laughed so hard when the restrictions were brought in up here, they won’t have saved many by moving them. They’ll end up being tossed out by the feckless idiots who rehomed them or surrendered to rescues that will euthanise them. There was an attack only last week near Glasgow by a dog that had been moved up here a few weeks ago. No doubt many will also suffer the same fate as the dog that was rescued, killed and tossed in a sheet outside a flat.

I really don’t understand why anyone would want to keep these things as pets. They’re nothing more than a very dangerous mongrel.

Sorry that turned into a bit of a rant but I agree, they should all be euthanasied.

Completely fine??? It’s like a shanty town. Falling to bits buildings, rubbish all over the place. Your definition of “completely fine” is very odd.

The mentality of " they wouldn't hurt a fly" is idiotic and needs to stop.
They are animals. Dont get me wrong, yes, I'm attached to my pets, but IF they ever snapped? Attacked? Even growled at a person unprovoked. They're gone.
In another post, someone said people are too flippant with aggression. I agree. Regardless of breed. And you shouldn't breed aggressive, nervy dogs either. Not that these people care.
They conjure up a new breed every few years, it seems.
I dont think I'd heard of xl bullies until 2018, I think. A dog named Hulk from the us was the new it dog. I'd never heard of them before that.
My eldest son was left scarred from a badly trained gsd. I couldn't even have anything done about it as the dog was in its own house. It bolted out its crate, jumped up and shredded my sons arm through a thick knitted jumper. Nothing was done. It became infected too. I was severely p**d off nothing was done about that. Because he wasn't the only child the dog had done this too, others were after.

I think it's a town of two halves. I was looking at the Eastern bit, but I've now looked at the Western bit and it's certainly a lot more neglected.

They have to be muzzled and on leads in public from 23rd February

Trouble is, a lot of these attacks happen in the home.

They should be banned everywhere. Why should we have one law for social housing tenants and one for everybody else?

This is why these laws are pointless and stupid!

Decent owners bring up their dogs properly, and they are unlikely to be a risk. They are the people who register their XL bullies and use muzzles. The really dangerous dogs belong to dodgy thugs who don't raise their dogs to be safe and social animals - and they are the people who ignore rules about registration and muzzling.

I'm not a dog owner - but it isn't rocket science to realise that only the decent owners will comply with the new rules!

My heart goes out to the family of the woman who was killed......

I agree that they can be nice dogs and they're certainly intelligent, but wait until they're being crossed with other types and used as status dogs by people with one brain cell who'll neglect and abuse them. GSDs can be aggressive and they have a strong will and plenty of determination so need intelligent and confident handling.

Awful case, poor poor woman! I think all XL bullies, pit bulls, cane corso and the like should be banned. The remaining dogs that are large/potentially dangerous should need a special professional licence, and there should be another pet dog licence for smaller dogs. Yes, I know smaller dogs can also bite but doing all this would greatly reduce the problem.

How does the new legislation help prevent these dog attacks exactly?
You register them, microchip, prove its neutered. But what exactly stops the attacks. What am I missing?

I'm sure there was a programme on about Jaywick years ago. Benefits Britain or something like that. Absolute shithole. That poor lady. The owner looks and sounds like an absolute tool. I hope they make an example of him.

Then I will say what I bet you're thinking. It's not only the dogs that should be put down.

There is no justification for keeping a dog capable of killing an adult. None

Exactly. I judge anyone who does it, badly. It's fucking ludicrous, in what American rifle association republican madness justifies keeping a scary weapon of a beast as a pet in your home. Just piss off.

Firstly it stops (or at least limits) the breeding of more. And secondly makes it easier to have individual dogs removed or destroyed if their owner isn’t complying, without having to prove that that dog specifically is a danger.

Well hopefully he's with specialist foster parents

A muzzle in public apparently. Which presumably people aren't applying because they're scared of their own dogs and can't muzzle train them.

It's a very bad piece of legislation that could easily have been improved by some common sense and knowledge of the outside world - which politicians don't have.