Acid attack in Clapham

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Has anyone else seen this horrible news story? Apparently 9 people have been injured, looks like the original targets were a woman and two children.

What is WRONG with people?!

I agree.

I’d say a crime like this exposing what a problem the trafficking system is is a big deal

Well this is the problem isn’t it. We can’t go into France’s waters and force them back and it’s not humane to just let them sink and die clearly. Though aus did shoot at boats as a deterrent didn’t they so the threat of death I guess worked there. Risky tho.

Again with the once we rescue what do we do. Well for that I’d be happy to basically have proper centres like a cross between hotel and prison / army base I guess where they stay in but that’s it they can’t go out into the general public. Cannot deport they stay in this safe and clean with medical etc they can be given jobs on base, but they are not free to just be here and have the freedoms of people who have passed the requirements to be here.

Im sure a lot of people would be against that though and claim it infringes on some human right. Despite the fact that if this was set up they would be willing to come here knowing it if they couldn’t pass the tests/requirements to be granted asylum or became a criminal. I’d be happy for U.K. sex offenders and murders once released from prison to be placed in there too I’m not going to discriminate.

I also think the government should actually help those who want to leave here too. So say they came on a boat and don’t like my base idea, that’s fine we will pay your air fare back to your homelands no problem. Hell first class if you want or pleb class with £500 in your pocket. It’s a one time offer tho, you come again and it’s the base till you earn enough to leave yourself.

I couldn't agree more, MCOut, and if it read as if I was suggesting the west doesn't already endlessly interfere - often, as you rightly say, for selfish reasons -then it's my fault for not making myself clear

For clarity my view's that we shouldn't be interfering again and again, the problem being that this would mean ending things which some folk perceive as "help", and I don't imagine that would be popular - especially among the colossal number of vested interests which have been created

I’d say a crime like this exposing what a problem the trafficking system is is a big deal

Wise words, EasternStandard - as were your comments about control/vetting - but once the headlines move on we'll still be stuck with those who are determined to make sure, no matter by what means, that even sensible discussions are shut down

I only wish that these folks' concern for wrongdoers (no matter where they're from) was matched by concern for ordinary decent people, but sadly I'll wish in vain

I’m talking about a migrant I’ve heard of who’s Iranian, not this attacker.

I’m easily seeing its frothing, well only maybe slightly.

Thanks @Puzzledandpissedoff

‘Frothing’ remark is a bit silly

I would like the set up to change. I can see there are blocks and we’ll probably keep going round with people gaming the system and crimes and whatever

Thanks for answering.

On the specific suggestion of what to do with those who come here via boats etc and to put them up in camps.
Over 110k have come here in the last 4 years, that would mean camps in the numbers we had in the British Army during the Cold War.

My own belief is we will see deliberate sinking and weapons used, it's just a matter of time.

It will be horrific but that i believe is the direction of travel.

I do agree it may only be a matter of time till boats are left to sink or deliberately sank. We as the U.K. will likely not be the first to start with that tactic either as those closer bare the larger brunt of those gaining entry to start with.

With the camps part it would hopefully deter and would end up with people
who are not genuine asking to be flown back home.

Ok I get you and I do agree. I hate to say it because that ‘help’ is so pivotal to so many people and it would disastrous to remove it but on a grand scale it’s not good for development and subsequent generations.

My own belief is we will see deliberate sinking and weapons used, it's just a matter of time

Well the Russians did it with Somali pirates, but I doubt anyone else would think this a good idea - not even those of us who want to see the channel crossings prevented:

has this beast done a days work since he was given asylum, he drives a car, lives in a hostel, was thinking of disappearing abroad to find a wife - is this what happens to everyone given asylum?

Yes there is never any thanks for sticking our noses in and long term it doesn’t seem to actually help. We might make small differences here and there but ultimately we leave and back to how it was.

Feels a bit like water aid. Begging for £2 a month can build a well in yada area. But those adverts have been around since before I was born and here we are still needing £2 a month to build a well in a country that could afford to but won’t.

I’m sure I read he worked in a pizza place. So the typical car wash or take away job often filled by those who don’t exist apart from he did.

We still intervene, doing so in Yemen, we supply and arm numerous proxies/allies to bomb around the world.

The Cameron intervention into Libya is a huge cause of migration into Europe and hence the UK, people bang on about Blair and Iraq but in terms of European security, Libya is far bigger problem for us all.

Gadhafi was a terrible man but he kept the country free of ISIS and trafficking gangs.
What exactly has improved for the average Libyan since the UK bombing & his removal?

That would depend on numbers coming to Europe.

How would you stop crossings into Europe/UK then?

I don't think murdering people is the answer, tbh.

This issue is not going away

It will increase with the associated unrest

I don’t see the point in not discussing it. It will dominate the next few decades in a massive way.

Fully agree over your examples of interference, jasflowers, and for me a lot of that should stop too. I realise it's complicated by alliances, etc, but that doesn't mean we should be leaping to involve ourselves in everyone else's squabbles

"Stopping the crossings" isn't easy either, and I certainly don't agree that opening safer routes would do much as those not eligible would just continue abusing the systems

I wonder, though, if more could be done via intelligence to prevent them sailing at all? The French are unlikely to help, being only too glad to see them leave and thus become someone else's problem, but if a way could be found to sabotage the actual boats before sailing I'd hope that might chuck a spanner in the works?

Neither do I, which is why I said I doubt anyone else would think this a good idea ...

Thing you’ve also got to watch for is while the new voters for now seem to be more labour leaning very pro immigration. Incidents like this will start to push the newer and old older voters to the anti immigration side as it spirals out of control.

Just like with Brexit anyone who thought it was good was brow beaten and called names. It didn’t help keep us in the eu is anything it pushed the milds into the hands of the anti as they where labelled the same.

Without moderate discussion you end up with an all allowed or no allowed and if your no allowed your demonised. A middle doesn’t get recognised or accepted and is punched to pick a side and often will end up on the anti side.

You can only push so far and it’s nice and easy to be all for something if you’ve got money or your family does to protect you from the downsides.

yes these problems are not all the immigrants asylum seekers faults it’s a lot of government issues housing, jail sentences, doctors etc it seems to take a very loud roar from those voting to get these things listened too. Sadly we are a two horse race in the election. As in always say it’s a case of picking cat shit or dog shit. But one side will eventually end up zero Non needed immigration/ asylum seekers while the other still loves. Or maybe ukip/bnp will make a come back again. People who shut down debate or chat cannot be surprised when this happens though.

Or maybe ukip/bnp will make a come back again

We already have Reform, which is basically UKIP 2.0

I must be living under a rock I hadn’t heard of them. I will go and see what exactly they are about.

locally labour are fighting for less verge parking that’s all I know. Cons are filling pot holes and trying to ban our hotels being used for asylum seekers.

Listening to Times radio with a guy who just said what I have been

Streamline and prioritise women and girls

I’d love to start a thing on this. Not connected at all though

But will just want husbands to come later and he wants another wife or two and then the in-laws. It's just a rerun of the last 50 years