Acid attack in Clapham

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Has anyone else seen this horrible news story? Apparently 9 people have been injured, looks like the original targets were a woman and two children.

What is WRONG with people?!

Stop the accommodation, the benefits and the free human rights lawyers. Take Britain out of the ECHR.
That's a start

Are you kidding me??? You're blaming the woman for this???

Yet again, it is not the same situation. That is also not true the ICC declared it was unlawful, they simply chose not to prosecute.

What are you proposing that Britain does? Conjure up sailors and boats to enact this, when the Navy have already said no? Gift, traffickers safer boats, so there’s less risk of drowning as they turn them around?

Also whilst Australia is also multicultural, the ethnic make-up of poc is different, so what is acceptable enough to become bipartisan in Australia may never wash here.

I’m sure the opposition in Aus was as vociferous as pp at the time against any move on this

Now though it’s bipartisan and Labor have just got in

Once you resolve this issue you don’t go back. Absolutely mad to try

I don’t see how closer ties to the eu will help. I being being a member of the eu didn’t exactly stop the boats or make France help more.

It’s meaningless

Italy is in the EU, couldn’t get any closer

Still a huge issue for them via the Med

Indeed it’s a sound bite a slogan that sounds good maybe.

France are more than Happy to let the problem become our problem and take our cash to pretend to stop the issue.

The Eu needs to stop the crossings to the Eu.

This violent man is likely to be suffering greatly as his injury was not irrigated for a long time if at all.

someone is either having to nurse him or has a corpse to dispose of.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19401989/

Hopefully is a slow and painful decline lasting days and days. Rather than a refugee doctor taking care of him underground.

That is in some doubt - there's mixed information about.

One report I read said that a priest had vouched for him. Another said that no-one in the Diocese had heard of him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13036735/Acid-attacker-Abdul-Ezedi-clapham-asylum-seeker-christianity.html

Not only Australia. Singapore doesn't accept any asylum seekers. I'm not saying we have to do the same but there's obviously ways to stop it. Japan accepts asylum seekers but rejects the majority of applications. They manage to return failed applicants.

Don't know what Labour's plan is but if they're saying they want to be like EU countries does that mean they'll do what some are doing? Ignore ECHR and deport failed applications and just pay the fine? It may be the only way to stop the problem but I don't think Labour are saying they'll do that?

This is what is Bollox, to quote a pp.

So far no one can say what "stopping the boats" means other than a meaningless "Aus has" we ain't got a friendly state offering us its uninhabited islands to use.
Come up with that and yes we can do a Australia.

When i tried to point out what it really meant, i got a chorus of "No one wants drownings/murder wont help" stuff.

Bottom line if you want to forcibly turn boats around in the Med, then be prepared to have drownings on your hands and in the case of Libya, a failed state, there is no one to take them back.
If a boat sinks and you then rescue, you ve then removed the deterrent.

Who wants to go first?

That’s a domestic law for France so I doubt it.

And to the right politically - as most of the EU is heading generally

It’ll be interesting if we are the only ones moving in the other direction and Starmer no deterrent in place

Traffickers will be happy

Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic there, but it doesn't always come through when written down!

Church Times denies all knowledge --

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2024/9-february/news/uk/suspect-sought-after-clapham-alkali-attack

Absolutely

What deterrent did the Tories have in 2018 or now?

Irregular migration is higher than ever.

You can criticise Lab all you like but whatever the Tories are doing, its not working.

Its the HO that has the final say and they let a failed asylum seeker stay in the UK, at a time when we could have deported back to Afghanistan.

All this guff about blaming the church, ffs they didn't make the decision, they've not got those powers.

Well Thats where you hit the point I said before people die either way. Do I want people to die no. But letting the crossing keep happening and saving people, people still die. We turn the boats around and people die, but hopefully the crossings stop.

Either way people die I’d rather they didn’t but apparently they won’t stop crossing even with the current deaths with help. At some point though people have to accept they are responsible for getting into these boats or Lorries tbh.

If can't turn boats around and don't know why not as France manages to let them leave, maybe we should do what Singapore does at least temporarily and say we can't take any asylums seekers. Hard choice because nobody wants to turn away genuinely desperate people but sometimes hard choices need to be made and there's already many desperate people already here who need prioritising. It's not being kind to take more in when can't protect people already here. If people knew they wouldn't be granted asylum like in Singapore there wouldn't be the problem of drowning risks because traffickers wouldn't bother trafficking people to Britain.

What does Japan do? Majority of asylum applications are rejected there. Rejected applicants are obviously returned somewhere. Don't know if country of origin or somewhere else but obviously something's done without drownings

You can offer asylum but on your own terms if you don’t let trafficking continue

It does take a big step though and more acid attacks before people finally vote for it

1000s have died crossing the Med, and 1000s more getting to N.Africa.

So we are going to have to accept 10s of 1000s of preventable deaths first before the deterrent affect kicks in.

Then we will have a humanitarian crisis in N.Africa as the traffickers abandon their cash cows, there are 100s of 1000 in the coastal states of Africa.

imho, no one anywhere has a handle on the issues, Aus is irrelevant unless we put a military force into Libya, enforce an enclave and house migrants there that are detained from all Med crossing.

Our cross ch problem can be dealt with by policing, there is no other option as we cannot forcibly return to France.

Those that are refused will just seek other means to get here, which believe it or not is an argument you made to me a while back on a different thread, you won me round with your debating skills!!!

Just because some people will continue to try to break the law is no reason not to enforce that law.

Well yes if the law allows it, glad it worked though

International law means capping won’t work

But a deterrent still will

I'd have thought we'd had enough incidents of asylum seekers/migrants 'misbehaving' to finally do something;

No-one told Joe Public about this one - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-asylum-seeker-carried-out-uk-terror-attack-to-avenge-gaza-public-not-told/