Acid attack in Clapham

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Has anyone else seen this horrible news story? Apparently 9 people have been injured, looks like the original targets were a woman and two children.

What is WRONG with people?!

If men are the problem then are you OK with thousands of men arriving every single year? Surely that exacerbates the already existing problem of male violence?

Is misogyny as much of a problem in the UK as it is in Afghanistan, or Iran, for example?

But he's a refugee, and has no safe country to be sent to. We're stuck with him unless/until circumstances change and refugees can return

He is not a refugee, he was denied twice so he was supposed to return before his fake conversion

You need to understand that we have no returns agreement with the Taliban, they would not accept him back.

A bit like when we removed UK citizenship from that ISIS British woman as she had Bangladeshi citizenship (CV brain fog, can't remember her name) they refused to let her into their country, hence she is stuck in a camp in northern Syria or is it Iraq.

Sovereign countries can decide who they want back in to their states too.

We’d be much better off to deter all and check before we say yes

Other countries have worked it out. This system is a roulette wheel

It isn't a positive. It it's no more a negative than having our own violent men. Why is it whenever something like this happens, people look at every single possible factor (Wayne Couzens = a problem with the police, Rochdale = a problem with Pakistani culture, this guy = a problem with Afghani refugees), rather than considering the obvious common denominator - that it's always, always bloody men?

Too many people feel sorry for anyone.

If we cannot deport to certain countries then don’t accept people from them countries. It shouldn’t be a free pass to basically be a criminal do time, become free then go ahah but I still get to stay despite breaking your laws and rules because such and such isn’t safe. Even though lots of people still holiday and visit family and this particular man wanted to go home to find a wife. In his very unsafe country that he needed asylum from. Makes the system a joke.

I don't agree with you.

I think that the fantasy is one of your making.

I don’t want your version where we let in anyone acid attack, rape or worse

No, but I'm also not ok with the thousands of home grown misogynists roaming the streets, raping and abusing as they please, and everyone focusing on this guy's nationality is giving them all a great big free pass to carry on doing it because no-one is talking about them, just those awful immigrants. The problem is global, it's native and it's a problem with men, not with subsets thereof. Until we start dealing with it as such, instead of footling at the sub categories, the culture of all countries ours included will remain rape-enabling and misogynist.

That's not "my version" and I'm not sure where you got the impression it was. Quote me?

I have been quoting you.

Your views are concerning but hopefully in a very small minority

Great argument 👌

And nowhere have I said anything like what you say is "my version". Pick out where exactly yo think I've said that?

As opposed to your arguments?

All men are bad, the UK is as bad as Afghanistan, we have men here anyway so let's have some more?

Police say these types of attacks have decreased. Usually amongst people who know each other so ex partner. As I said before I’m scared they’ll be on the increase again and who knows if some dumb BNP type decides to target eg “brown” people?

Heard a worrying but scary Radio 4 news piece this week on the rise of the far right in Germany. Don’t say that won’t happen here, it well could.

The point I'm making is this guy being here or being there makes no difference,

There is a difference and I don’t agree with you that we should be open to violent men on the premise there isn’t one.

As I suggested to you you could deter all irregular arrivals and choose women only for asylum.

Deal with it globally? What does this even mean?

Set up a committee?

Fantasy, pure and sweet.

New article in DM says he was in a relationship with the woman he attacked and that a relative of his fears that he's dead. No info on whether either of the DC were his. He came here in 2016 in the back of a lorry and the older DC is 8 years old, so presumably he isn't the father of that one, but he could be the father of the 2-year-old.

This man came in on a lorry, no background checks would have prevented his entry, same with the over 100k let in via small boats by this Government over the last few years.
How many convicted criminals have the Tories given asylum too is what i'dlike to know.

Mostly these people come from failed states, with no accurate criminal records data bases.

Didn't we recently grant asylum to a man rejected by the Norwegians?

Its a joke, govt rubber stamps applications in order to have no backlog.

Stop all entry

It’s easy Aus has.

God by the time people cotton on..

And then guess what you can choose who you want

Women only if you prefer

On the flip side. I live locally in an area where there’s a hotel which houses refugees/asylum seekers. You see a mixture of men/women/children but men in majority. A NDN who does charity work helps out and has got to know them. You’d have no idea they were here apart from last summer they played football/volleyball out in the local park or you see the odd one sat on the park bench. But no bother at all. Tend to keep to themselves but can’t say I blame them. One or two men have had it tough with cancer diagnosis in one, severe sickness in another. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to feel any compassion there.

Also in places with strict regimes eg Iran I’d agree 100% women and men should be welcomed into UK. Ex colleague was an immigration lawyer for Iran clients and his predecessor for Koreans.

Or they’re vetted. Or stop economic migrants. Or help countries where less employment/tourist trade so the men have more chances to work and create a life for themselves there. Different if they’re refugees fleeing war and torture. Do we hear much about the migrants from Hong Kong? No.

I'd certainly be up for a women and children only policy on the basis of risk. However, this would only work alongside a domestic policy that recognised the equivalent risk of our native male population and sought to mitigate it in some equivalent way.

Great let’s do it

Ww could lead the way internationally as a place for women, kick the gender stuff out too whilst we’re at it