Acid attack in Clapham

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Has anyone else seen this horrible news story? Apparently 9 people have been injured, looks like the original targets were a woman and two children.

What is WRONG with people?!

Am utterly shocked you can get asylum after a sexual assault for religion. I mean, what decade are we living in?

Religion trumps sexual assault? Do we really think a person is changed by what deity he thinks is real? This isn't about where he was from but how clearly our society's standards are in the dark ages.

Totally agree, religion can play a part in an asylum case, i wouldn't want to send back a genuine Christian to Syria.

But sex offenders from a country we were running, nope, madness.

Yes someone fleeing because they are Christian, but the articles I've said say he converted to Christianity on his third attempt.

I get that people are religious, but if someone has committed a sex offence they don't get to stay. We have enough men like that here already. I am certainly not a "send them back" poster but I didn't think that the Tories who are spending hundreds of thousands per head to send a few thousand to Rwanda would have overlooked such an obvious vote winner?! Men really can't see the threat they pose, can they?

Isn't that the point we don't know who they are or what crimes they committed in their own country

I think they argue that if they return to Afghanistan ( or indeed Iran and various Muslim countries) their life is at risk. Apostasy is punishable by death in Islam. Yes before people pile on, I know it isn’t always enforced. But it’s a threat nonetheless

I think the 'conversion to Christianity' wasn't just about claiming it had magically given him a good character but an attempt to say it would be too dangerous to deport him to Afghanistan as an apostate. There have been several cases in Europe where men who have attempted to bolster their asylum claims by 'converting to Christianity' have gone on to commit acts of terrorism and other violent crimes. The system seems to have a built-in naivety. Conversely, there have been actual Christians facing death threats who have not been granted asylum, even though they went about applying through the proper channels.

It would be better if we looked at this before accepting anyone. In their country not here

But you’d need to deter irregular entry still

We did have a way to do this where they applied from wherever and then we looked at it, which we have stopped thanks to the Tories. This is why we get boats because they have to be here to even register.

Again agree, he was gaming the system with his Christianity conversion.

Where possible, sex offenders and other more serious crims should be deported but as i said, we don't have returns agreements with most countries, they don't want criminals in their own countries to deal with.

Tories don't care about criminal migrants, they just say they do and then blame Labour/EU/UN/ECHR/Lefty Lawyers (no such thing) Lawyers all operate within the law of the land, anyone but themselves.

Heard a Tory today say it was David Blunketts fault he was given asylum.

Sadly we live in a world where a man's right to safely practise his (claimed) religion matter more than the right of women (and children) to live without fear of assault. He should have been deported and I don't believe for a second he's a Christian.

What do you mean? We've always had irregular entry whether by lorry or boat

Agree with all of this, especially as you were clear about wherever they've come from, but I'm not sure why folk are insisting it would be better under Starmer. The extreme left won't allow it, and unless he wants an internal war on his hands it's just not going to happen

Interesting posts, though, about the numbers of such people the church are apparently supporting. There's a Radio 4 item about it on right now, with barely a word of sense among them

Still, as long as they get brownie points for signing a few more up ...

They had someone from amnesty international on sky earlier basically stressing that asylum seekers regardless of crime are at risk of persecution and torture. I’m not a send them back person either but our prisons are bursting at the seams, why are we accepting asylum seekers who already have convictions.

I think the 'conversion to Christianity' wasn't just about claiming it had magically given him a good character but an attempt to say it would be too dangerous to deport him to Afghanistan as an apostate

Very possibly, though I thought it was more common to claim they were gay since that too would potentially put them at risk if repatriated to one of the less liberal nations

However perhaps some feel that the church provides an easier option ... after all it wouldn't be the first time they've enabled evil

Priest just came on the Radio 4 news saying it’s an 8 week program of lessons to convert. For most asylum seekers who’ve spent months and years ( not to mention $1000s) trying to get in and then obtain leave to remain that probably seems like a trivial amount of time and effort.

Apostasy is punishable by death in Afghanistan, and countries cannot deport someone if return means execution

Don't you think every asylum seeker declined is going to say he's a Christian! Wake up for Christ's sake literally!

Of course he wasn't a ruddy Christian. He hadn't genuinely converted at all. He just mouthed whatever was necessary, because claiming to now be a Christian would strengthen his asylum claim. It's incredibly transparent behaviour FFS.

Do not let them convert then deport - simple

How would we send him back to Afghanistan now (under the Taliban) when they wouldn't even accept him back?
Parachute drop over Kabul?

Excellent idea. But don't bother with the parachute.

Yes, having already gone to such enormous lengths refusing the 8 week course would be a version of 'spoiling the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar'.

Furthermore the extreme lengths, the dangers encountered make the end result seem an even bigger prize/victory. You go on this huge dangerous quest and at the end you are rewarded.
They will come if it's easy for them, they will also come if it's difficult & dangerous.

This is utterly ridiculous! How would other countries or their country of origin would even know they changed religion? Specially since it is a fake act to stay here. In the meantime those laws are protecting criminals but not the people of this country.

Well with this individual, it's been all over the papers, so yes they'll know

And when someone claims asylum, it's not an immigration desirability test. The sole question is whether they have a well founded fear of persecution.

Does it matter what ethnicity this cunt is?,
He's a woman hater and no different to our own homegrown scum.

@SquirmOfEels Yes, with this one. However, many commit crimes and are not put on the news. Those who commit crimes are most suspicious of having come here to carry on with crimes and behaviour started in their countries.