We are being primed

[Mambo19866]

Story after story now of conscription being needed. I was thoroughly convinced that this is just scaremongering but the number of senior figures coming out again today warning us to prepare it really feels like they are getting us used to the idea. Also in the papers today the US is moving some of its nuclear stockpile to the UK. Getting bit nervous now I have to admit.

I’ll take that as a no then 😂

EasternStandard · Today 11:42
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Do you mean yes to yield or are you thinking others will fight and not your family”

Will you be fighting, EasternStandard?

Were our country at direct threat of invasion, yes, knowing them as I do, I believe that those in my family who could fight, would. I personally, would rather they yield and have at least some chance of living out their lives because I love them more than I care about the regime that governs us. It would be their choice to make in that very specific - and highly unlikely - circumstance though. How exactly does this invading force get here by air or sea without being intercepted. Hand to hand combat on UK soil is vanishingly unlikely. Far as I’m aware, with the exception of the Channel Islands, it last happened in 1066.

I would do everything in my power, though, to prevent our young ones being sent overseas on some vague notion, with no real idea what they were fighting for, as was the case in WWI, when my grandfather was gassed. Woke screaming until the day he died and would be turning in his grave reading some of the shite on this thread, having fought in the “War to end all wars”.

I’m heartily sick of the keyboard warriors here, some of them positively salivating at the prospect of sending our useless youngsters off to fight, knowing full bloody well that they will never be required to do the same. It’s disgusting, they ought to take a long, hard look at themselves and have the grace to feel ashamed and STFU.

Indeed. A sad state of affairs.

So you are saying if there is a full scale invasion of Poland and Germany we just ignore it.

We can do without the basics supplies, long term as say Russia pushes on through Europe we just ignore it

DoubleTwin · Today 11:55
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I think it's all fairly hypothetical. But interesting to see the me me me and mine posters, i hope they are happy to contribute a chunk of their monthly salary to pay for our army if they find the idea of conscription unappealing.”

We have paid eye watering amounts over decades. Glad to. Not so happy that Truss et all pissed it up the wall rather than boosting the professional military, but that’s life.

No one wants their dc to fight, you are not special in feeling that way

Ukrainian mothers would not have wanted it either

The difference is I sadly can see all kinds of horror can still happen even if I do not want fighting

If you pick up the news you’d see it too. We are very lucky and protected and these threads show that

As I have said , my GGF was conscripted at age 42 in 1915, my GF age 34 in 1939.

It won't be the very young, in the age of equality it will be women too.

Thatusernamewastaken · Today 11:31
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Never going to happen.
Hope those that are saying it could be a positive/good thing are male and between 18-35 though, as those would be the ones to suffer

Women will be conscripted, should it come to it.

No coincidence that so many European countries in the east are suddenly putting major border defences up. Ukraine also believes that Putin will go for Poland after them. If Trump gets in we're all screwed as he won't care Putin is taking over in Europe.

Currently looking like the most favourable outcome will be for China, who has a lot more choice about whether they get involved a world war and will have a major economic boost from manufacturing weapons and similar. Plus they won't be putting the money and resources into war like Russia and the US, so they'll be in a strong military position to take over Taiwan and other objectives without much anyone else can/wants to do about it.

@maeveiscurious Not sure how you got that from my post? If in the exceptionally unlikely event there was a mass invasion of Germany by Russian, there would be a rapid escalation to a nuclear exchange - even more likely now as the days of NATO troops en masse in eastern Europe are long over.

There would be (as there wasn't in the cold war) zero worries about an invasion of GB. Destruction yes but no invasion! There wouldn't be time for conscription either.

Conscription may follow similar lines to Russia in that coders in the tech industry are exempt from physical conscription as they're needed for the digital fight. If so my OH will be exempt.

I wouldn't fight though, and if he was required to conscript we'd emigrate. War is the ultimate nationalist brainwashing. It's not normal to want to kill people you've never even met just because you're told, or to watch people you know die the same way, which is why the majority of people end up with severe psychological issues even if they don't have physical injuries that traumatise them.

It's the same logic as owning a gun - if no one has one, no one can shoot people. If everyone refuses to go to war you can't have one. But people just go along with it because they're groomed.

Women won’t be joining the infantry or engaging in active combat. They’ll be responsible for food and weapon production, logistics, medical care, caring for children/elderly, a home defence and the emergency services.

This is a far comment.

But I also think that we are being prepared for the possibility of Trump killing NATO in which case Europe would have no option but to think about how it defends itself without the support of the US and that probably would involve a bigger army.

@moomoomoo27 but you most likely won't be able to immigrate elsewhere surely, if it came to conscription? Otherwise loads of us would do it

You would be happy then, for the UK to withdraw from NATO?

I'm not sure why you are making any assumptions about what anyone else here would be willing to do. You seem to be assuming everyone else would be as reluctant as you.

I think we just send everyone who voted for Brexit. They played right into Putin's hands.

If we are being primed, we are being primed for fiscal measures to enable a large increase in defence spending.

They aren’t conscripting anyone.

sheetsoflux · Today 11:32

I'm Generation Z.

Some of these comments are so sad. You want us to fight and put ourselves on the line, and as one poster put it 'part of them wants it to happen so they can see us toughen up'

Shame on you. My generation has a lot of flaws, who doesn't? But we are generally open minded, curious for knowledge, and care for the less abled. We are breaking down taboos and speaking out.

And yet all anyone seems to do is judge us like they're so perfect themselves.

Shame on you”

Absolutely. Look at the average age of the warmongers around the world. The same sort of age as those advocating for conscription on this thread, I suspect. Old enough to be sickeningly judgemental about young people but not old enough to have had to serve themselves. I also suspect that’s what a lot of the willy waving from leaders around the world is about. An unconscious feeling that they have never proven their “manhood” and a desire to do so by proxy, from behind a desk.

I’m of that generation too, @sheetsoflux . I don’t share their views but I’m ashamed on their behalf.
The sooner my generation gives way to younger people like you, the safer, cleaner a place this earth will be.

Let me guess nobody on here wants that either?

There have been a number of threads in response to the media coverage of this. All of which have demonstrated exactly the response this story was designed to elicit. There is a story in the Guardian today advising that the USA is to station more nuclear missiles on UK soil in response to the threat from Russia. I would hazard a guess that we were being primed for that.

@Naptrappedmummy women were/are fighting in Ukraine in the same way men were asked to stay and fight and not leave. Not in so many numbers but if they didn’t have dependents some of them have taken up arms

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 12:11

sheetsoflux · Today 11:32

I'm Generation Z.

Some of these comments are so sad. You want us to fight and put ourselves on the line, and as one poster put it 'part of them wants it to happen so they can see us toughen up'

Shame on you. My generation has a lot of flaws, who doesn't? But we are generally open minded, curious for knowledge, and care for the less abled. We are breaking down taboos and speaking out.

And yet all anyone seems to do is judge us like they're so perfect themselves.

Shame on you”
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Absolutely. Look at the average age of the warmongers around the world. The same sort of age as those advocating for conscription on this thread, I suspect. Old enough to be sickeningly judgemental about young people but not old enough to have had to serve themselves. I also suspect that’s what a lot of the willy waving from leaders around the world is about. An unconscious feeling that they have never proven their “manhood” and a desire to do so by proxy, from behind a desk.
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I’m of that generation too, @sheetsoflux . I don’t share their views but I’m ashamed on their behalf.
The sooner my generation gives way to younger people like you, the safer, cleaner a place this earth will be

Now MrsSkylerWhite is salivating.

Very interesting thread, with lockdown rules / mask wearing / covid vaccine vibes.

The more <ahem> vocal / combative posters are particularity interesting for anyone looking at this discussion from a social science perspective.

Agree with those who say cannon fodder is probably not that useful in this day and age so let's hope there are some clever mumsnetters plus offspring who have the skills to defend our infrastructure from cyber attacks and counter propaganda from countries that seek to harm us.

Where would you emigrate to? There is no country in the world that does not expect its people to step up in a war.

@sheetsoflux im Gen X and have Gen Z (and A) and think they’re brilliant. And yes if they were in charge with their values we’d be better off

Sadly the reality is we have Putin and no amount of no thanks to horror stops someone like him from acting anyway