Flightradar Storm Isha part 2

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Looks like the little Aer Lingus Belfast LBA just landed first attempt.

Pretty sure it's the same aircraft as got diverted to Liverpool earlier- reg G-MMN.

I've just seen on Twitter that the SIA flight which diverted to EMA had had two missed approaches at MAN and had to divert as a fuel emergency.

My added guesswork & questions... given we've seen diversions all over the place recently, presumably they didn't have sufficient to get to LHR where SIA also have a base? I'm considering what's more of a pain for the airline to deal with; do you go for the nearest so you don't have lots of passengers too far from their destination and then "just" reposition the plane, or would you always prefer a different base airport, fuel permitting?

Is 7700 an emergency?

Because there is a military jet with 7700 just off the East coast of Scotland - a Eurofighter Typhoon

That's a Typhoon out of Lossiemouth, so if he does have a problem, he's very close to home.

It's one of the JEDIs

Heading North now

Disappeared from FR as I watched, at Lossiemouth, so presumably landed

Might have been fuel driven but TBH Heathrow doesn’t like accepting diversions unless it’s a real emergency because there isn’t the capacity.

EMA makes a bit of sense because of access to the road network for dispersing passengers.

Long haul diversions can be a real PITA because at the end of something like a SIN - UK flight the crew can be pretty much out of hours (so a quick refuel and second sector to reposition might not be a possibility.)

Long haul diversions can be a real PITA because at the end of something like a SIN - UK flight the crew can be pretty much out of hours (so a quick refuel and second sector to reposition might not be a possibility.)

Thank you. This is the sort of thing I was poking at- they won't have had crew at EMA, plus having failed twice to land at MAN, even if the crew has a bit of time left, if they had failed again after a refuel it would have been problematic.

I'm out just now but might try and find out what happened to the aircraft later

Yep, be interesting to see what happens.

I don't know what Flight time regulations SIA use and the extra/relief flight crew they will have carried had might give them a bit of flex but I'd bet if it's even possible it's tight.

Going to somewhere that's on your company's normal network but away from base (which for SIA will of course be Singapore) might help from a ground assistance POV but it might not help that much from a replacement crew POV - there usually aren't spare crews kicking around downroute so once a flight gets disrupted there's often no quick fix.

@SurreyMumOfOne I don't think Singapore have a base at LHR. They operate there yes but I'm not convinced they have crew based there. EMA likely made the most sense as the onward flight was to Houston which is 9.5 hours long. If the crew flying SIN-MAN went out of hours at EMA they could transport the flight crew from MAN that are operating the onward flight to IAH via road to move the aircraft to MAN for the onward flight without worrying about them going out of hours. It's a 90 minute journey via road so relatively close really.
Of course if they have got a base at LHR then disregard what I've said.

Nottinghamshire Live reporting that the SIN-MAN flight had declared a fuel emergency as opposed to a low fuel declaration so needed to land asap after 2 go arounds at MAN. It’s on the Nottinghamshire Live Facebook page, the reporters at NL are known for their flights of fancy ,if you excuse the pun ,so the article may be more dramatic than the reality!! They do love it when there’s a bit of drama at EMA !

@mummyh2016

SIA certainly don't, or certainly didn't, have a flight crew base at LHR.

they could transport the flight crew from MAN that are operating the onward flight to IAH via road to move the aircraft to MAN for the onward flight without worrying about them going out of hours. It's a 90 minute journey via road so relatively close really.

If the idea is a crew available to do MAN EMA by road and then flying EMA-MAN then yep, that should be easy peasy but TBH I'm not sure what happens with the next sector/where you get the crew to do the MAN-IAH bit?

They do the onward flight as they would only have used maybe 3 hours of duty time in addition to the duty time required for MAN-IAH so no real risk of them running out of hours.

I'm only guessing that's what the back up plan was. I used to be cabin crew in my younger years (albeit not for Singapore) and this is something that would occasionally happen. Whilst I get Singapore Airlines will have their own rules regarding duty hours I can't see their max hours being less than 13 hours, especially when crew can go into discretionary hours in extreme cases such as these.

Flight Radar is fun during the Tour De France - you could see loads of helicopters just following the tour all day.

@mummyh2016

They do the onward flight as they would only have used maybe 3 hours of duty time in addition to the duty time required for MAN-IAH so no real risk of them running out of hours.

I'm not sure about that TBH, certainly not the no real risk bit...a three sector day with the clock starting in MAN as you step in the car to head for EMA could put you very close if not over some limits that apply at the planning stage.

I can't see their max hours being less than 13 hours, especially when crew can go into discretionary hours in extreme cases such as these.

Don't forget that in most rule sets commander's discretion can't be used or planned to be used until after the duty has begun ...i.e. you can't start the day looking at a plan that means you'll definitely need the discretionary extra hours to complete the duty...but OTOH in today's case they'll probably have at least one relief pilot which might help..

Anyhow that's all now a bit moot because however it was done it looks like the aircraft recovered to MAN about midday, and departed for IAH early PM..it's currently over the New Brunswick/Maine Border.

Looks like flights into Oslo are having a hard time, potentially because of the snow maybe?
At least it's not just the UK that can't seem
to deal with it, guessing Oslo is having a lot more of the white stuff than we ever do!

Could well be the snow, light snow falling there ATM, cloud base and visibility not great either.

Courtesy of FR, and the plane currently doing loops around Spaceport America (virgin galactic base), I now know there is a city in America called "truth and consequences".

Right down the road from Elephant Butte.

I have found the all legged explanation of the town' a name.

"In 1950, popular NBC Radio host Ralph Edwards challenged American cities to rename themselves after his quiz show. Hot Spring, NM promptly accepted the challenge and became Truth or Consequences"

Here's what all the Virgin activity was about:

https://investors.virgingalactic.com/news/news-details/2024/Virgin-Galactic-Completes-11th-Successful-Spaceflight/default.aspx

I clicked on a 7700 squawk notification earlier today and watched a small plane crash land on the radar 😐

Yikes! Whereabouts was it?
Also, what does a squawk notification look like? - perhaps because I am usually tracking planes coming into Newcastle I have never seen one.

I had a trial of the gold membership so it notified me with a pop up, and I clicked on it. It was in Derry, US. I later found out on Twitter that the pilot was the only person on board, and they’ve been taken to hospital.

I've got Gold. You must have been "lucky" - if you see what I mean.

In a way, I kind of dread seeing one, but would probably take a look if a notification came up while I was on FR24.