Amanda and Giovanni

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Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

What vile behavior though? What abuse? Neither AA nor anyone else has accused Gio of vile behavior that any of us know of. You've invented an entire scenario there.

This is a very interesting thread.

I get the impression that people who have had bad experiences with men are being quick to condemn Giovanni Pernice although no one except him and AA really know what happened.

I would love to know the opinion of Rose Ayling-Ellis. She seemed to thrive on his teaching and as well as winning I got the impression they were on genuinely good terms at the end of it. She is also an actress, but she would have to be a brilliant one if her positivity was all fake.

Nice choice of words! Like I said internalized misogyny is not a good cloak to wear.

My thinking, if there's one complaint that's one to many, if there's 3 then there's a pattern to the behavior. People who abuse their positions tend to pick and prey on the people that they feel they can get away with it.

Rose, in this instance if she raised a complaint I well imagine the BBC would have acted quickly as this would have cost the show greatly because of her disability.

That doesn't mean that because GP was nice to one person he wasn't vile to another.

Three people have spoken out, how many more is needed?

Exactly - a massive speculation and smear campaign is okay is it.

You might be right, @PaperClips007 but it’s totally unfair to make accusations like that! Please stop.

@pickledandpuzzled
Just adding my pennies worth, like everyone else.

Interesting though, that you're happy with a pile on towards another women by women. But when some shines a light on the highly probably bad behavior's of a tea time star you ask them to stop.

@PaperClips007 you should be ashamed of yourself. Using ‘I heard’ to state unfounded and incredibly damaging information about someone is shameful.

If MN don’t take your post down I hope the BBC legal department come after them.

@PaperClips007 I’ve also criticised the posting making accusations about her. Yours are particularly scurrilous though.

@PaperClips007

Evenhanded defence of two people against whom no accusations have been made.

@MeinKraft
Who knows who leaked the story? but it's one we are all speculating about.

I very much doubt it would have come from AA's side, because if she is pursing legal action this would be detrimental to her case. My money is on the BBC and an attempt to smear her, which is obviously working just look on this thread.

Also, I think someone with her professionalism will have a huge amount of experience of many difficult and egotistical personalities within the creative industry. The fact it's on record he made not just AA cry but others is enough to assume his behavior's was vile. My question is how many? Is one not enough?

Yes but Rose is DEAF! He’d soon realise there’s not much point shouting at her.

Right, I’ll rephrase it.

People who accuse strangers of really nasty crimes with no evidence are muck scraping, bottom feeders.

And that applies to both parties.

@Over40Overdating Oh please, have you seen this thread?

The bbc come after who and for what exactly?

So by your own words, you think its fair game for women to pile on another women?

Yes but Rose is DEAF! He’d soon realise there’s not much point shouting at her.
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Really?????????????!!!!!!!

This, and it’s so obvious I can’t work out if people are a bit thick or putting the boot in on purpose. Or both.

@pickledandpuzzled hope you're including yourself 😁

@SaffronSpice I meant being used as proof of PTSD and bullying on this thread not in a court of law.

If ‘friends’ continue leaking to the press ‘confirming’ she has PTSD and AA has been telling people GP bullied her and it turns out there is no basis for what is now an all out smear campaign - as a PP prove - he surely has some recourse to legal action. He is done on Strictly now as shit sticks, regardless of fact.

I would if I’d speculated. But I haven’t. Repeatedly. Your post was nasty. It’s not a men v women thing, it’s two people who are being baselessly accused of all kinds of bad behaviour.

GP has not specifically been named to the best of my knowledge.

Bullying has not specifically been mentioned to the best of my knowledge.

Predatory sexual behaviour or indeed consensual affairs have not been mentioned either to the best of my knowledge.

I have personal experience of false allegations (not sexual but which started as little fanciful tale telling and many allegations later became career damaging and of a criminal nature). The final one was my bully’s coup de grâce. It was horrifying.

A fight to clear my name, raw bleeding skin, one patchy bald head, an unfairly ruined reputation (shite sticks) and a stagnant career later, I was, and am, all too aware of the damage unfounded and untrue rumours do. PTSD was and is a bastard. So was that.

It isn’t right. It isn’t fair.

No one knows what actually happened.

The comments about AA are questionable as are the allegations about GP.

Just because AA has been targeted, been doubted over a medical condition and has been criticised and questioned, it doesn’t mean others should have rumours about them spread just to make it fair.

It isn’t a case of protecting a male and not protecting a female. I would no more wish false allegations on someone than I would PTSD regardless of their sex.

We don’t know what has transpired and dramatic speculation/ character assassinations on these folk are unfair until we do.

I beg to differ. PTSD is a complex condition. Not something you get from someone being nasty to you on a reality TV show.

Well said,@ArcaneWireless

Sadly no one is listening.

Thank you, @ArcaneWireless , some really dreadful accusations on here. We are talking about real people, not characters in an itv drama.

@pickledandpuzzled GP behavior has been called out by x3 people.
How many is enough for you? Do you want more women to be complaining?

What has AA even done? Left a show?

Do you honestly believe that if AA was pursuing any legal recourse her legal team would have leaked this story?

We all know the BBC has previous in protecting the brand, the bad behavior's that does go on and turning a blind eye.

In my post I used the word rumor, at no point did I state anything as fact only my pennies worth.