Amanda and Giovanni

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Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

Many trauma victims freeze and can't react quickly. "Coming across as sassy in interviews" doesn't protect you
Good insights FireWaterSmall

In your scenario you say you don’t get PTSD from a dance show.
In my scenario I suggest you don’t get PTSD from a Sunday afternoon drive in the countryside.

It is not apples and oranges. These both seem to be pretty untraumatic activities.

The only difference is I gave some extra details about what happened on that hypothetical drive (a significant car crash) whereas you are determined to ignore the fact that significant traumatic events may also have taken place during the production of the dance show that you know nothing about.

I didn't say that in the first place though so please don't deliberately misquote me.

But regardless a drive with a car crash is patently not the same thing as a drive without a car crash. You can't just add events to suit your narrative then claim they are the same anyway. It's nonsense.

None of which has any relevance at all to AA and strictly.

Production of a dance show without traumatic events is patently not the same as production of a dance show that involved traumatic events. You can’t just ignore the fact you don’t know what happened to suit your narrative then claim they are different. It’s nonsense.

So no apology for misquoting me. Ok

Please stop trying to undermine my experience of PTSD. It smacks of ableism to I don't want to engage further.

I remember when Amy was paired with Danny John-Jules and there was some reports about him bullying her, though she was the pro and he was the celeb. I do think that being bullied/abused, even if only verbally or subtly, in that very high-pressure and physical working relationship could be extremely upsetting. I'm not an expert on PTSD so not taking sides in that argument, but I do think that "it's just a dance show what can she possibly be upset about" is a disingenuous take.

I don’t think @SaffronSpice is trying to undermine anyone, nor are they coming across as ableist.

You are, of course, entitled to feel how you feel. As am I and actually so is AA.

I think that what they are trying to say (and apologies if I’m incorrect saffron) is that most of us regard SCD as a joyful environment. That isn’t to say that horrible things cannot happen in a joyful environment.

The truth is - at the moment - is that no-one apart from those involved know what happened. Certainly no-one here.

Instead her experience is certainly being undermined and to boot her reputation is being scattered to the four winds and those questioning her diagnosis and the circumstances leading to it have no concrete evidence to negate it.

If anything is undermining experience of ptsd and being ableist - it is that.

He refused to go on ITT with her the Monday after they left.!!

@Emotionalsupportviper

A thought provoking post mosh

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I think it’s been a bad pairing.
I watched this season, and I distinctly remember AA being a good dancer, and coming across as someone who was very driven, and wanted to win. In some of their rehearsals, she came across as driving a lot of it.

Then, one week, she was given negative feedback, and there and then she looked like she couldn’t take it. Then it was announced she was off the next week, then she quit.

GP is a really professional dancer, who gets great results. I think it’s unfair to say he’s been a bully. It’s a bad pairing. I hope this isn’t the end of his career.

I do think AA was in a bad place when she joined, and didn’t have the resilience to deal with someone like GP at the time.

Do I think GP deserves to be thrown under a bus for this-no I don’t.

AA clearly is very upset at falling to complete strictly, a show where people come out the other side transformed, and is looking for someone to blame.

So the fact that she "looked [to you] like she couldn't take" a bit of criticism that must be the issue and it can;t possibly be anything else?

You think "it’s unfair to say he’s been a bully" despite having no idea either way (obviously it would be equally unfair to say he has not been a bully)?

You hope his career survives despite having no idea if he is guilty of anything? Why not wait until the truth comes out before supporting him?

You think that people on Strictly need resilience to deal with certain types of people as opposed to thinking that the pros need to treat people with respect? (Obviously we all need some resilience, but morally we only have an obligation to try to be resilient to reasonable behaviour - falling apart when bullied or harassed is acceptable).

Your last sentence is just insane speculation.

Please stop trying to undermine my experience of PTSD. It smacks of ableism to I don't want to engage further.

Be gone with your accusations of ableism! I made no comment on your PTSD, unlike you who are determined to undermine AA’s experience of it based on absolutely no knowledge of what she has been through. If belittling experiences leading to PTSD is ableism then you have been clear in your ableism.

@AnonnyMouseDave I thought speculation was perfectly fine though? Or is it only when it’s specious nonsense?

Like it or not none of us know the truth and GP’s reputation is being destroyed far more then AA’s is and his MH is as much at risk from this as anyone’s.

His reputation as a hard task master who is extremely competitive and not always likeable is being used as proof that AA will absolutely have been bullied and has PTSD.

She has never directly said any of that because she needs categorical proof not hurt feelings, embarrassment, deflection and leaking titbits to the press.

If she does have proof I hope it’s made clear who was at fault and adequate steps are taken to compensate her and to ensure it doesn’t happen again and that she’s fully vindicated.

If she’s doesn’t I hope GP sues her and everyone claiming he’s a bully to kingdom come.

You do not go to court with a claim of PTSD based on just deciding that is what you have. You would be laughed out of court. If AA sues for PTSD then either she has a firm diagnosis from a respected psychiatrist or she has a lousy lawyer who doesn’t mind being shown up for being one in public, given the level of tabloid interest.

If she has never claimed GP bullied her, then what would GPs basis be for suing her?

If she’s doesn’t I hope GP sues her and everyone claiming he’s a bully to kingdom come.

Has she named GP? I haven’t seen it. Apart from on here. And no doubt it will be on other fora.

None of us know who is involved - apart from AA - or what happened.

Who knows whether some of that might be hard to deal with.

Passive aggressive folk are never direct. Just like to imply their feelings have been hurt and you are the problem. But don't directly say so.

Read somewhere Rachel Riley claimed to have mild ptsd after her stint and she married her dance partner.

It is also a condition that emerges over time associated with repeated exposure to trauma. She is being over dramatic to say the least.

PTSD could be from all of it - the press scrutiny, the interviews, the attention, the training - and the after effect of leaving could have been even worse than AA expected. Leaving didn’t just turn off the issues did it - it brought more. I can well imagine that is too much for most human brains to handle. I feel sorry for her

If she’s saying she has it 8n the context of a court case, I think we can be pretty sure she has been diagnosed by someone with more knowledge than you have. Plus what you are saying is wrong anyway.

We have no idea why she has requested rehearsal recordings. For all we know the Beeb might be refusing to pay her whole fee and she has requested recording to show how hard she worked. Although someone seems to be leaking info which is likely to be more correct.

ShirleyPhallus · 08/01/2024 16:57

Mental health is a weird one isn’t it, because while everyone says that people should be open about their mental health, when they actually are, people don’t believe them and tell them to shush

Spot on!

Especially when the complainant is a woman. All those fizzing hormones . . .

My pennies worth, I bet a number of celebrities have complained, but good ole Aunty likes to protect the male money machines. We all know this, it's all about preserving the brand and to protect it at all costs.

Strictly is one of the BBC's biggest shows, of course they will protect GP and cast the female aside, they've invested to much in the show and money talks.

Just in this case I think Amanda was the last straw that broke the camels back and stood up to his vile behavior.

Does anyone wonder what the Non - Professional dancers have to say about him? As it's those young women who really have no voice.

Anyway, I heard a rumor that GP expects his female partners to sleep with him and is known to make sexual advances and unwelcome remarks, then turns nasty when these advances are turned down.

I also heard that he and Debbie McGee had a thing! Of course, I'm not a fly on the wall and who would want to be with those two. If true, I would take her sparkling endorsement with a pinch of salt.

What I don't get is why so many women on this thread are defending him?
A very brave women has stood up and said No to the abuse she received.
Why do some women feel so righteous to add more abuse to the mix?
I mean what's that about?

Do they need to identify and reconcile their own internalized misogyny?

As for the PTSD, some of you are way off the mark and also may I say ignorant towards people who suffer with this condition.
I have never been to war, nor have I seen anyone killed. I have however been diagnosed with PTSD and I have a condition called Misophonia. My trigger is men chewing gum.

You want to know why? because my ex used to chew gum and pop it as a warning to the abuse that was about to come my way.

They say to be kind when people talk about their mental health struggles, I haven't seen much kindness in the above thread, quite the opposite in fact and that's why I felt the need to post.

In the case of AA, my take is she saw exactly who and what this man is, and decided she's not unseeing his behavior. She's made a stand, and one I imagine will protect future women who have dealings with this chap.

😂😂

It's interesting how when people bring up "be kind" they don't ever extend it to not spreading rumours, speculating or making shit up.