Amanda and Giovanni

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Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

Good post, except... we do NOT know that AA "is suing the Beeb for failing to provide duty of care".

What we know is that she has sought legal action and asked for the training footage.

It could be that her lawyer looks at the training tapes and decides that there isn't a strong case to make and it's not worth doing.

Asking for the tapes and 'threatening' legal action could also be a move to try and intimidate the BBC into paying AA more than they're willing to.

AA left early. The celebs get paid according to how many batches of weeks they stayed. She left before week 4 and they get paid more after that.

AA didn't attend the final. Maybe the BBC are saying she's in breach of contract for that and are refusing to pay her the full amount she was contractually entitled to.

Lots to speculate on, but we do know for a fact that she is not currently suing the BBC. She may well in the near future though!

I misspoke in haste and frustration @WriterOfWrongs

@PaperClips007
In my post I used the word rumor, at no point did I state anything as fact only my pennies worth

But it's a specific problem that mud sticks, as per a PP's experience. Unfounded rumours keep on circulating and can also become so-called Chinese whispers, particularly in the days of the internet. Just as you said you heard it from an unnamed somewhere, someone else will pick it up from posts here and all of a sudden stuff takes on another life of its own.

What you were speculating about is very serious indeed.

Paperclips you’ve effectively accused someone of coercive rape and bullying.

You’ve also said the women who danced with him all slept with him. How would you feel if people said similar about you?

Well let's look at the 3:

Laura Whitmore didn't want to be partnered with him because he'd just broken up with her friend. She criticised the bbc and the show for doing that.

Ranvir said they fell out for twenty minutes when she had a meltdown in training. Not exactly damning evidence that he's an awful bully.

Not sure what the problem was with Richie - seems to be media rumours that they didn't get on but they posted in nice terms about each other online as far as I can see?

I know imagine being that fucking stupid

Fair enough @pickledandpuzzled

I thought it'd be helpful for others to see that there might be potential contractual issues at play from both sides (AA and the Beeb). Because we really don't know.

And I totally agree with you and others that @PaperClips007 is out of order with the narrative they're pushing.

Shame on you @PaperClips007 for your allegations against Giovanni & for MN allowing it to stand.

This 💯

In my post I used the word rumor, at no point did I state anything as fact only my pennies worth.

You specifically stated that Giovanni had demonstrated "vile behaviour".
You specifically stated that Amanda had suffered abuse during strictly.

Amanda could be requesting the footage for any number of reasons; maybe someone else on the production team treated her poorly? Maybe it shows she was injured and was being pushed into continuing? Why people are jumping to the conclusion it absolutely must be Giovanni abusing her is beyond me.

Also she could very well have PTSD but if SCD triggered it, how can she prove that and how would the BBC/GP (obv minus any abusive actions and duty of care followed) be liable? Surely she should take some responsibility for not putting herself in an environment which could exacerbate an existing condition?

This is exactly what crossed my mind - that t might be a pay dispute. We won’t know until AA goes back on Twitter and tells us - as I am sure she will at some point.

Do you write for popbitch or something?

I'm not buying you as a regular MN poster.

I'm sure he said on ITT that she turned her back on him when he shouted at her.

Interesting about Rachel Riley saying she had PTSD after being on the show, Pasha supported her apparently so not to do with their pairing. I would like to hear more from her about this. And Nina Wadia said her mental health suffered.

You have no idea why/how she got it. And as I said she won’t be taking it to court without a solid diagnosis, so you begging to differ is irrelevant unless you are her doctor.

To be fair, we don’t even actually know if Amanda is diagnosed with PTSD or if ‘the source’ was using the term in a colloquial way.

And she wouldn’t need a diagnosis of PTSD to claim that the BBC breached their duty of care to her. (She would need evidence they did of course.)

I get a feeling from the tone of their posts that @PaperClips007 is a man.

I don't think they sound male at all.

Definitely not male.

Not male, just a name changer stirring up trouble.

Re: your theorizing in Para 2.... I'd imagine that a court might be of the opinion that a celebrity dance show should be capable of being produced without triggering PTSD. [If that's what happened, we don't know]

Seems to me that the first two paragraphs are an uncontroversial commentary on the way most big organisations work in circumstances like this, and the BBC in particular has a track record.

Paragraph 3 accuses GP of "vile behaviour". I do not know what is being referred to, but I am one of hose people who find it incredibly easy to believe that there is a massive tendency for a driven dancer trying to get another person up to a high level will behave in a vile way. Is it possible to push dancers and gymnasts to the highest level without being very very very tough, and that spilling over to "vile" happens a lot I imagine. It appears, at best, GP attracts more criticism than others.

The rumour... should we repeat rumours? Perhaps not... but then again if that is a widespread rumour in the industry then I believe it is fair to gossip on here that that is the UNVERIFIED, UNPROVEN, QUITE POSSIBLY UNTRUE AND MALICIOUS, but possible true RUMOUR, so long as we're clear it's a rumour.

I don't understand why anyone would defend him. Show a bit of concern for AA, on the assumption that something has happened on SCD, and hope that the truth comes out and justice is done, whether or not that includes GP or not.

The most striking thing about this thread is how some posters are so prepared to demonise AA, and some GP, based on absolutely no knowledge of what has happened, or what might happen.

Yep.