Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Thank you for your input. I was considering this and may yet do so, but didn't want to clutter the boards. I'm seeing how this thread goes.

I'm just totally fed up with our voting system.

We live in an area which is a safe Tory seat. I'll eat my hat if anyone who is not Tory succeeds in the next GE despite all of the rightful distain against the actions of the Tories (particularly in recent years).

We had a fantastic local MP pre- Brexit. She was ousted by Boris Johnson over her views on Brexit. Our recent one is as useful as a chocolate fireguard and turns up for Photo opps but hasn't bothered to even attempt to live in the constituency.

I have no idea who the Labour candidate will be because they don't bother to leaflet or doorstop, presumably because they know they are on a hiding to nothing.

On the other thread that people are referring to there was a suggestion that women should not have the right to be concerned about what Labour will do about women's rights vis a vis trans rights because the Tories have been bad. I just don't get that logic. We want to know what the policies will be on the NHS, public services, tax and environment so why not women's rights. Labour is a disappointment to me on this issue because women's rights are not a single issue they effect everything and have more of an impact on vulnerable, poor, disabled and religious minority women than they do on rich women. It is dreadfully disappointing that Labour are under the thumb of the TRAs and aren't using this election to put the minds of 52% of the population at rest. Framing this as trans rights is wrong. It's women's rights.

So at the moment I don't know how I will vote. I've never voted conservative and won't at this election. My vote is pretty worthless anyway. I'm not inclined to vote for a party that won't answer questions on issues that impact vulnerable women in such a pervasive way and doesn't think we should ask questions implying we're being bigoted for raising them. I may not vote at all. Which is a crying shame but is my right.

It’s funny how you and others moan that gender ideology comes up then post about it anyway.

But yes the GRA is a Labour law which they defend and is incredibly poor for women. That’s not untrue as much as pro Labour try to deflect

Yes and they are heavily promoted by the LibDems and Greens for obvious reasons. Labour policy last time and this (unless it changes) is "you want Labour, then vote Labour".

Having seen where tactical voting got us in 2010 where the LibDems were lying on the doorstep telling Labour voters they would only go into coalition with the Labour party hell will freeze over before I'd consider voting tactically for them.

As soon as they held the balance of power they jumped into bed with their fellow public schoolboys, abandoned their pledges (and the doorstep promises of a rainbow coalition model with Labour) and made such a hash of it that the much vaunted PR referendum was rejected with a thumping majority. Then fucked off to make millions as chief liar for Facebook.

And lets not forget in the wake of the post office scandal which party provided the ministers with oversight of the PO at the height of the scandal as well as the botched sales of Royal Mail/PO Counters. Yes Lovable Vince, Ed "Media star" Davy and Jo 'useless" Swinson.

I'd trust LibDems as far as I could throw them.

@ilovesooty i agree with tactical voting, but I don’t know how to get reliable info. Eg I’m in a previously safe Tory constituency. If I want to vote tactically, I’d that L or LibDem? If LD had more votes last time, will this hold now? Or are there sufficient pissed off Tory voters to swing it? What would they vote etc?

I’m pretty sure that’s the point of mn

But yes you can always start a new one if you feel the op has written it wrong

@C8H10N4O2 oh, I don’t trust LD since they played king-maker whenever the heck that was. I would hold my nose, however, if it made a difference in getting the indescribably dim and bootlicking Tory out. (Though I think he’s standing down.)

I think you make an excellent point there @LadyWithLapdog .

I reckon you can only look at the last couple of general election results, look at the trend in local elections and listen to what local voters are talking about. It can certainly be a bit of a minefield but we can only work with the information available to us.

I didn't say that the OP had written it wrong. She started the thread she wanted to start, as is her right.

Again, thank you for your input and your interest in my posting choices.

Maybe its time for a reminder of Conservative MPs who have been accused of sex offences:
Andrew Rosindell (rape)
Crispin Blunt (rape)
Ahmad Khan (sexual abuse of child)
Charlie Elphicke (sexual assault)
Peter Bone (sexual assault)
Chris Pincher (sexual assault)
Andrew Griffiths (rape)
David Warburton (sexual harassment)
Rob Roberts (sexual harassment)
Stephen Crabbe (sexual harassment)
Mark Garnier (sexual harassment, cleared but did call his secretary "sugar tits" and asked her to buy him sex toys)
Neil Parish (watching porn in HOC)
Damien Green (copious porn on his HOC computers)
Boris Johnson (accused of groping)

How on earth anyone sees this party as the "protector of women's sex based rights" is beyond me.

Ok 😂 well gender ideology is in the op

So if the topic bugs you it’s really your own doing

The problem is that voting LibDem tactically last time ensured a Tory victory and when it came to it the LibDems showed themselves to be fundamentally a tiny Tory party.

I see no reason why this time should be any different.

The OP mentions GC and the erosion of womens safe spaces, thats true but which govt has eroded these spaces?

You and others (as your perfectly entitled to do on a forum) will bring up the issue that most matters to you, it does seem to be at the exclusion of everything else.

I happen to care about my neighbour and the care she gets, thats an erosion of a woman's rights, as is closure of DV refuge's, almost 3 women a week are murdered in a DV context, all under a Tory Government, which you and others totally ignore, even defend.

Whatever has happened (Domestically) to this country over the last 13 years, is down to one party only and it is not Labour.

@C8H10N4O2 hoping it’s a tactical vote and they don’t get to actually DO anything as they won’t be in power.

Yes, I can read. Again, thank you for your interest in my posting behaviour and motivations.

Personally I'm not sure tactical voting is needed this time as I think the Tories are screwed. Unless they pull some kind of populist rabbit out of a hat, but unfortunately for them all the current problems lie at their own door.

TBF Your probably right, their current leader was the minister in charge of the post office as it went about prosecuting innocent people.

@AdamRyan thanks for reminding us of that sorry list.

@ilovesooty I think the poster is inviting you off the thread. Bizarre. Well done for keeping your cool.

They might affect the balance of power and the ultimate outcome. Under FPTP, which is a whole big topic, I think that's the best that can be hoped if the desired outcome is the removal of as many Conservative candidates as possible.

You and others (as your perfectly entitled to do on a forum) will bring up the issue that most matters to you, it does seem to be at the exclusion of everything else.

Not really. I’d say I’m equally interested in economics

So biological reality and funding

I’ll look closely at how Labour will fund what they promise as much as I will take notice of the women hatred I see from many Labour MPs and the gender ideology that is core to their DNA. Both in the past through the GRA but to an exploded extent now.

More so than when that law was introduced, although it created what we see today.

It’s not actually the case that both those things are fixed for a Labour gov, they could have effective funding changes and they could cast out gender ideology, then my vote would be in with a chance.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Tories ARE the protector of women's rights.

What I am, reasonably, asking is for clarity on the Labour Party position on this as they are going to be the incumbent government. And I'd rather not be called a bigot for daring to suggest that men, even ones with special pieces of paper, are not women.

My question is why won't the LP unequivocally set out to protect women, and it is the most vulnerable women in society who are harmed by males in single sex spaces.

for a bit of light relief “I’m sorry”

Presumably you and your MP think that joking about drugging your wife is an acceptable way for the Home Secretary to behave?

Ha ha yes I was vicious 😬 but why complain? It’s like seeing cabbages in the op and moaning people are posting about them

It’s not a mystery. If you want carrots not cabbages then might I suggest… oh no will you ‘lose your cool’