Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Interesting . I didn't know about this link. I appreciate what you're saying though - God only knows why working class folk vote for Tory in the first place, but if there's a chance of a split, brilliant!

I’m not sure Reform is about XL bullies here anymore than the rise of AfD is about dogs in Germany

There is no link that's why. FFS how ridiculous.

Thanks so much for the link. I've just tried it and it eorks! Will be forwarding to everyone I know nearer the time. Bring it on!

My main issue is that people voting for anyone without a blue rosette just to get the Tories out may not be the best way to pack our parliament with good,honest MPs. It is as good a way as any, tbh.

The big parties at least do some vetting, with a party like Reform they are so short of candidates and the type of people so unsuitable that there is a real risk. Independents are even more random.

You can only trust people you know well, which very rarely applies in elections.

Then I suggest you leave your leafy suburb and go and have a look at an inner city council estate one day. I have every confidence the pp is correct and it's not stereotyping or classism to suggest this; people will have bought these dogs for protection primarily.

Reform is more likely about immigration

In the same way some parties to the right are gaining ground in the EU

Boris Johnson ensured that decent people were forced out of the Conservative Party.

I agree with you.

Voting the Tories out is not a single issue vote. It's an entire ethos of a parliamentary party vote.

Can I just make sure I've understood you correctly, @DewHopper ?

You believe it is wrong to be a "single-issue" voter?

Well ours was Peter bone so...yeah

Again, just as voting for anyone with a blue rosette is not a sure fire way of packing our govmt with honest, good MPs.

This argument works both ways.

Your post sounds as though you’d rather do anything than allow a Labour govmt in.

Just as many of us would do anything rather than let another Tory govmt in.

And voters who spoil their ballots are effectively letting Tories in again by default.

The issue with Wales is they get more money per person than England, and it's still a shit show!

I do not live in a leafy suburb - stop stereotyping people you have never met! Your assertion that people who own bullies are primarily Tory voting working class is laughable and you know it.

How on earth does it sound like I will do anything rather than let a Labour govt in when I have clearly said upthread that would VOTE LABOUR if I had a decent candidate?

And I do not need your scolding for spoiling my ballot - it's my way of saying 'none of the above' PLUS I am in a very, very safe Tory seat so nothing will get rid of the current hopeless Tory MP that I have.

Ah but none of that matters because they all "know what a woman is" the fact they use this to sexually abuse and even rape women is completely lost on many posters/supporters.

I'd like to see Tory supporters say what they think about SENDs funding cuts, why women (and men) are stuck in hospital waiting for home care packages, why DV refuges have had their funding cut.

Nope, all that matters is bash Labour over Trans.

I didn’t check out the tactical voting site posted above and I’m not casting any aspersions on this particular one, but AFAIR at one of the last elections there were a few such sites and not all legit and causing confusion.

I consider the Tories to be an unspeakable blight on this country and the mentality of those who tolerate, or even admire, what they stand for a peculiar type of collective insanity. The difference for me is that I've always felt this way, whereas many people are only starting to realise it now that they've plumbed even lower depths of cynicism and depravity (and will probably quickly forget and fall in line again after the next Tory rebranding exercise).

They could put Santa, Superman or Jesus Christ up as constituency MP and I wouldn't vote for them. They need to be deleted as a serious force from the country's political culture.

I won't be voting to "get the Tories out" though as Labour (the only other serious contender in my constituency) are not suggesting doing anything significantly different and Starmer is an unprincipled political chameleon who shares their worst features. No point getting the Tories out just to have Tories in under another name.

Hmmmm, well the fact that you mentioned you live in a very safe Tory constituency may suggest otherwise...

I would welcome a dispassionate discussion of what a potential Labour government would look like and its implications for the direction of the country without gender ideology being the prime focus of discussion and derailing everything else which is relevant to people's lives.

Nothing like a bit of casual class snobbery from someone who claims to be a Labour supporter.

I think tactical voting is gathering traction. Anyone should be able to look at the voting figures in their constituency and assess which candidate has the most realistic prospect of ousting a Conservative candidate.

Gender ideology is in the op. If you are so aghast by the topic why not start a thread with what you want?

Exactly, well said

Here is section of Labour's policy on sex based rights:

"We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act.“Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.”

Both parties essentially now have the same position, so posters claiming Labour are TWAW/Labour will bring in self ID/only the Conservatives will protect women's rights are not correct, whether by accident or design who knows.

Plus it’s a female dominated forum where many feel impacted.

People try to off load it into special sections and complain they see the topic at all but you can’t dictate what some women care about 🤷‍♂️