Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

ve mentioned under funding of DV refuges, no one on the Tory side (or you) has even mentioned the fact that a woman today, escaping DV has a 50% chance of getting help from a refuge but thats all ignored with a "but poor Rosie"@jasflowers and

Because they do not care one bit about women. Yet they state they are advocates for women's rights. Which bit of women's rights do they care about? Seemingly, protecting single sex spaces ( toilets) and well, that's about it.

So you are voting labour because they have better policies to support domestic violence shelters? Or, you'll assume they do because you think that they seem like a nice bunch - with no hint or evidence that it's on the cards?

Yes I do.

I hope this too Turkeyhen. Raving misogynists like Russell-Moyle need to go.

You are probably right but I do think - and this was my concern originally - that if people just vote to get rid of a Tory MP (and not even look at what they are voting in as long as they will remove the Tory) we may well get a rash of hopeless MPs.
The Labour Party youth in particular is in thrall to the gender identity movement and you may find that your young, fresh Labour candidate is non binary and hates women but hey - at least they are not a Tory right?

Many 'enbies' dye their hair blue for some reason.

I'd be perfectly happy with a non binary MP. I couldn't give a shiny shit.

Tbh the party approved candidate to replace Dorries was very middle of the road. Like a junior Starmer. Unless we are looking at specific constituencies in very progressive areas that's the approved Labour model.

You would be happy with an MP who was so divorced from reality and mired in genderist ideology that they think that they are neither male nor female and have to be referred to as a 'they'? And then you would expect them to to do the grown up job of helping to run the country? 😂

I hope that you are right.

Yes.

And I am not going to debate that with you please. Thank you.

Good to see the return of 'no debate'! 😂

Agreed.

Laughing at myself calling him Lloyd Mole (and the Commotions) 😂 You knew
who I meant. Keir Starmer has unfortunately inherited a few (imo) awful MPs but Labour is a broad church, I would hope they don’t get put in ministerial positions.

Well we can't know what their DV policies are yet because they haven't published their manifesto.

Yes I don't think that Starmer is stupid and will hopefully make some wise appointments if/when he gets in.

What has your MP said to you about your concerns over women's rights?

I think this argument might work better if the tories weren't haemorrhaging decent candidates because of their shift to the right. Remainer centrists for pushed out. Other decent mps who won't go along with johnsonian bullshit are fed up and leaving parliament.

There might be the odd gem of a Tory candidate but by and large, the good ones have cleared out.

I am happy to debate many things but not this. No need to condescend.

I said earlier that I avoid them.

Wow, and to think I (obviously) meant all this sarcastically. Never imagined I'd have to add:

LABOUR WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MISHANDLING OF THE PANDEMIC.

He understands the issues and he understands biology at least but he is not standing up and putting himself forward in the way I would like him to. I am in contact with him frequently on other issues too.

At the last election I contacted all candidates. My MP offered platitudes but not much action, the Green candidate ignored me and the Labour (male) told me that I was being cruel to transwomen to expect them to use a male loo. 🙄He did actually use the word 'cruel' too! He is not local though (lives in a city 50 miles away) and Labour never do well at all here so I don't expect that he was the cream of the crop.

I’m a GC Remainer/ Rejoiner but my current MP is Philip Davies so I don’t have much choice but to hold my nose and vote for the pretty rubbish Labour candidate - we can’t afford to be single issue in the current environment.

You misunderstand me - 'No Debate' is what all the genderists have said over the years when anyone sensible has pointed out how ridiculous their ideology is.
So you get slogans such as TWAW NO Debate! and other such bollocks.

That's tough - is he likely to lose do you think?

Plenty of people could be described as divorced from reality, not least those who believe the world was created by a magic sky fairy because it says so in a two thousand year old story book. The fact is that in a pluralistic liberal democracy, we have to live with and sometimes be governed by people whose conception of reality is different from our own. What matters is their competence and objectivity in governing for the common good - and membership of the Conservative party would be a bigger black mark against that in my book than an unconventional gender identity.

Besides, non-binary identity as a matter of gender rather than sex (as expressed by plenty of trans people who acknowledge the reality of biological sex) makes a certain amount of sense as an expression of opposition to traditional gender roles. And feminists have been making valid arguments for non-gendered pronouns for decades, since long before trans mania took off.

Yes but we don't pretend to be neither sex! 😂

Such a good post @EvolvingDoor 👏

Though I can’t condone the reductive way you describe religion as it’s pretty offensive imho (I’m not religious btw) but you feel how you feel.