Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Drakeford was another male who responded with misogynistic aggression to a question on women’s rights

Have you ever watched Parliament? The Commons is a bear garden. They should each other down and heckle all the time, it’s part of the culture and has been for decades. And currently the Tories are the biggest culprits. Criticise by all means but at last be fair about it.

Yes he is another horrible misogynist. There are plenty of them about and many of them have hopped on the gender train so that they can abuse women freely and get a pat on the head by the hard of thinking for being inclusive and standing up for the most oppressed minority ever to walk the earth. It's very clear. See also Owen Jones, James O'Brien and their ilk.

Trans ideology is homophobic and misogynist at its very core though so not surprising that it attracts these pathetic, hate filled men.

That was very interesting thank you

it did show a conservative win which i expected because quite honestly i had no idea how they could lose!

Have you seen how these two men behaved? I would watch them before you wade in to defend/minimise their actions.

Thats up to the speaker, not for you to decide.

He can throw people out, order a suspension etc etc

No one ever has waited for their turn to speak, the 'commons is a shouting match.

Anyone who gives a fig about women's rights, wont be supporting Cates, her views are prehistoric.

The concerning part is how it ends questioning

If you can shut it down so any question is effectively void and you do it often enough women really will have zero avenues

Thank god for Maya Forstater who bravely took it to court but that’s a sliver in what could be entire silencing and aggression

My hope the labour women supporters will lobby for women's rights to mitigate the damage when they put the gender enthusiasts in power when they can seemingly justify every misogynistic act so long as it comes with a red rosette, is dwindling by the second.

He crossed the floor to intimidate her - this was not just about heckling.

I’m neither defending nor minimising their actions. I didn’t even mention them. I was responding to a post that castigated them for not sitting quietly and behaving. Nobody sits quietly and behaves in the Commons. The behaviour there is generally disgraceful - by all parties.

No it isn't, you want the Tories back in power but dress it up as "i used to vote labour/i was a LP member/i voted for Corbyn" rubbish.

Nope. I don't lie on here. I don't lie in life.

It's interesting that you think I'm untruthful because I don't neatly fit in a box - and I believe it is further evidence of your black and white thinking.

Its just the same old thing, criticise Labour every inch of the way, zero mention of people like Anderson or criticising Cates or Jenrik & their awful views, oh no, they must be defended.

I ve mentioned under funding of DV refuges, no one on the Tory side (or you) has even mentioned the fact that a woman today, escaping DV has a 50% chance of getting help from a refuge but thats all ignored with a "but poor Rosie"

I see plenty wrong with Labour, both on policy and individual MPs and have said so.

At least with posters like Eastern, they make no secret of their hatred of the Labour party.

@EasternStandard@DewHopper@Desecratedcoconut do any of you live in a Tory constituency?

Yes, I live in a Tory constituency that was previously Labour held. It washes blue and red with the tide. I liked my old Labour MP and I'm not a fan of my current Tory MP, whose responses to letters look like three paragraphs of I don't give a fuck and then best regards.

Were my old Labour MP around I'd have voted for him again but he has gone to a new stomping grounds.

True I don’t hide Ihow I feel 😂

I have said though I have voted for both major parties in the past. It’s more this iteration I cannot vote for. As I said earlier if they dropped gender ideology entirely and had some effective funding policies then my vote would be up for grabs

I see this time as where I can push on change as KB is receptive and motivated. Labour will likely get in and I won’t push for change from someone who acts as Osborne, Drakeford or Lammy

I‘ll leave that up to others.

What is the point in me answering anything you ask when you think I'm lying anyway?

you have to lobby your shiny new twenty year old blue haired non binary Labour MP hard on women's issues

OP you lose me with comments like that. That has a really sneering nasty tone. If I had this MP I could judge them on the quality of their work, as you claim you do.

What is it with MN and this short hand blue hair jibe? I see it all over the place.

Have you written to your current MP about your concerns re: erosion of women's rights? If so, what did he/she say?

He said nothing of particularly of much substance. He says a lot of words without saying much of anything. He has said he cannot make it to important debates because he is too busy. And he remains the least worst option for me. But then I'm that much despised single issue voter.

My sitting Labour MP is a mature man - and a pretty decent one from what I can see.

@Piggywaspushed I agree. It’s used as a term of insult in a way you don’t accept nowadays for the “blue-rinsed brigade”.

And see also the use of “hard of thinking” in a post above, or “captured”, while your are “shining a light” or “bringing sunlight”. With so much repetition on these boards this language sounds wooden. You sound captured yourselves!

I’ve written to everyone who asked for sexed based rights at the WM debate, and four main people in the HoL maternity act debate, KB and a few more

All responded. It’s a slightly open door and I’ll push it. When it shuts I’ll know at least I did what I could

I live in one of the most marginal constituencies, currently tory but likely to go Labour - I will be checking where the labour candidate stands on women’s rights before the election. I don’t want to give my vote to a Lloyd Mole/Butler type. I am a Labour supporter but the concerns raised here on this are totally valid imo. I suspect that new labour candidates that have been centrally approved are likely to be more centrist than Corbynista in their views.

To be honest, I have the opposite concerns and am not keen to vote for a Tory with a red rosette. But I would, for the greater good.

I'd happily vote for a Corbynista myself. I am one (or MN would call me one). We do exist.

The Labour party is a broad church and I can live with that.