Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

We can't even be certain that Sunak will lead the Tories into that election. There are plenty in his party who don't think he should including some current and former ministers who are already spending their time on their leadership campaigns.

It is interesting to reflect on the scandals of the Blair years particularly.
The sort of behaviour that we shocked by then, wouldn't even get a mention now.

Very interesting, Truss gave an honour to another trouble causer according to the article.

Utterly ridiculous argument.

With a 80 seat majority, Johnson could and did do as he wanted, he didn't seek to involve either Scotland or Wales, refused to meet either 1st minister and share a common response/information & he kept Parliament out of the loop too, inc Labour.

The real damage done to the UK was due to Austerity, running down PPE, refusing to take on board the lessons from 2 pandemic exercises and then wasting billions on CV support loans.

Yet somehow all this becomes Labours fault, tbh you sound like another Tory who refuses to accept responsibility for anything your party has done over the last 13years... Always someone else to blame.

Apparently we now have "Thornberry got the May election wrong" wtaf!!
Lets wait and see shall we? tax cuts so early on indicate an earlier GE and Sunak is a proven liar, how many times did he say to the CV inquiry "I don't recall/recollect" ???? (it was about 50, has he early onset?)

Apparently we now have "Thornberry got the May election wrong" wtaf!!

Why do you get aerated about that?

I saw May on here and looked up an article to see where it came from. It was Thornberry.

And?

You clearly have not read the full thread but whatever. And fwiw people will not vote tactically to remove my MP because he has huge percentage of the vote and most people support him.
Tactical voting only works if there are lots of people who want to oust the sitting MP - I do not live in such an area as I have made clear several times on this thread.

Well, it's not my party for a start. I've never voted Tory before. I held my nose in the last election and voted Labour again hoping that once Corbyn was undone by the Momentum loons then the grown ups would step in and put the student politics down.

But here they are, a shadow government who can't even oppose, let alone lead with a leader who says we shouldn't say that women have cervixes and who is muppeting about with language while sitting on his hands while Russel -Moyle is heckling Duffield for the temerity of saying that women are a sex class in Parliament.

No thanks. I'm not voting for them again.

One thing has really struck me on this thread and that is that there are lots of Labour voters who are horrified by the encroachments on to women's rights that have been creeping in during the Tory parliaments. This absolutely gives me hope.
However, the same voters have not been listening to what the Labour Party has been saying on this issue because they seem to think that there will be some sort of rollback on all of the damaging policies allowed under the Tories. That Starmer might see sense?
The truth is that things will get much worse and if you do vote Labour then you may find that you have to lobby your shiny new twenty year old blue haired non binary Labour MP hard on women's issues and make sure that you do not commit 'hate speech' whilst doing so.

I can lobby now but seeing Osborne and similar the show hatred for ‘terfs’ I can easily see how it could go

I won’t be part of that happening but those who vote for it will have to lobby, unless it’s what they do actually want.

Russell-Moyle should have been thrown out of the House what he did to Miriam Cates. He is a complete misogynist and I hope he loses his seat this time but it's Brighton so I shall not hold my breath.

https://twitter.com/paulbristow79/status/1616469826096230404?lang=en

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/01/the-gender-zealotry-of-lloyd-russell-moyle/

I am heartened that some women on here really do seem to care but see Labour as the best option - I can understand that. I just wish that they had been watching the LP as closely as some of us ex LP members and understood the slippery, genderist language and what is underneath the breezy crumbs that they are chucking women's way at the moment.

I saw May on here and looked up an article to see where it came from. It was Thornberry.

She might have said it but I didn’t know that. I’ve been predicting May for months now and saying it ad nauseum. I worked that out all by myself. And, before you ask, I’m not Thornberry!

Nicely written...

I watch the Tory party and their mealy mouthed words on womens rights as they do exactly the opposite.

Its in the Tories DNA, say one thing, do another, we saw it this week on Rwanda (and on many other policies) Sunak opposed the policy as Chancellor, said it wouldn't work, yet now its a key policy, vital to stop the boats.

What disheartens me is women on here, will vote Tory, despite their record on the trashing on women and childrens rights, zero criticism.

Ah Mariam Cates that well known defender of a women's right to have less education and make babies instead.

So she shouldn't be allowed to speak freely in Parliament?

I prefer not to engage with you but I will say that if this is your response to what happened to her in Parliament then you are even more of a misogynist than I thought you were.

Cates should absolutely speak freely whether she chooses, then it will be even more obvious how abhorrent her views are.

To be fair I do not think that I have seen any women in this thread saying that they are going to vote Tory but I may have missed their posts.

She did, thats the beauty of Parliament, people in Parliament can say anything and are free to do so, others can oppose and shout them down... the Speaker then decides, impartially, what is acceptable or not.

Was Moyles thrown out by the speaker?

So turn it on its head, should Moyles not be allowed to oppose Duffield or Cates?

@jasflowers is very interested in who I will vote for and brings it up often

I won’t vote Labour obvs for reasons pretty much summed up by @Desecratedcoconut

@DewHopper Lol You ve just replied to two of them within the last few posts!

😂 point made

So you also think Russell-Moyle was a complete shit when, hopped up on his own misogynistic moral righteousness, he aggressively shouted her down and eroded her space to speak? And that the front bench were complicit in his misogynistic rage when they sat on their hands and ignored the whole thing?

Heckling is not opposing. Wait your turn to speak. She was elected by her constituents to represent them, not be shouted down so she cannot be heard. Children know the difference.

And when he crossed the floor to intimidate her. He is a horrible little man, truly a woman hater.