Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Not prepared to talk about the issues raised again? I thought you were fed up of deflection?

a) Who has introduced the current policies? Pretty clear.
b) No they haven’t.
c) Are they? They are in power with a huge majority, doing into an election year and it wasn’t in the King’s Speech… They are saying things you quite like, but there’s no indication they’ll do them or they already would have.
d) ? No government is allowed to do anything that will constrain a future one. Laws can, and do, change, or we wouldn’t have the vote.

Going back to voting the tories out Ive no idea if that is even possible in my area, its a tory stronghold with a large number of 50+ aged voters who have traditionally voted tory

the tories got 66% of the vote in 2019 with labour at 18% and the libdems at 11%

thats a huge swing

They happened because of the Tories. The party for whom women's rights mean fuck all. A whimsy. Something men are entitled to if they want it.

The fuckers put rapists into women's prisons and on our hospital wards. They don't give a shit about women. You just have to look at their record. Professionally. In their private lives. In Government.

Its a party steeped in rape culture that has systematically destroyed women's rights, circumstances and opportunities since it came to power 14 years ago.

Tbf the GRA is particularly hard to reverse

There’s a long thread in it in FWR explaining why

The EqA is easier

Well I disagree with all of that but I guess that's no surprise to you? Do you seriously think you are going to get this Blair/Brown-esque Labour party and they won't develop progressivist activism and damage women's rights in the process?

Because we will get a Labour government. We are going to see this car crash play out. Is this really how you think this is going to go down?

I am talking about the issues raised. And I’ve never mentioned deflection. What is your problem with me?

I think we've all copped on to the fact the single issue they're voting on is the Tory Party.

If they were truly voting on the the single issue of TWANW, they'd be advocating SDP, Reform UK or the Communist Party.

Not really but you can obviously vote for one of those

I’m not sure how you know what I expect. Basically, if you look, it boils down to thinking Labour will be less corrupt and more competent than the Tories. That’ll help a lot of people.
I’m pretty sure ‘gender’ legislation won’t be a priority due to the general shit show, so there’s still room for protest and lobbying.

Happy to disagree on all of it, and happy to agree that we will get a Labour government, although you're more confident than I am.

I'm not clear on where you stand other than blanket declaring Labour to be incompetent, whilst not stating how the Tories are better and completing ignoring the Tory criticism.

And just so I don't do the same - I don't see how the Tories are going to be reliably better on gender issues / women's rights. I do see that Labour are more reliably going to care more about most social issues though. The gender debate feels increasingly like red herring amongst a sea of other problems, all stemming from the party currently in power.

Like this

I’m pretty sure ‘gender’ legislation won’t be a priority due to the general shit show, so there’s still room for protest and lobbying.

Couldn't have said it better. This isn't a general election issue.

Liam Fox is our MP. You can bet I'll be voting that fucker out.
I do always vote Labour anyway.

Ad hominem attacks add nothing more to the discussion at hand.

They take being quoted as an insult, so don't bother your head about that shite.
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Give it a rest @TooBigForMyBoots

Tedious

Like I said, I never mentioned deflection. Not that I’ve deflected anyway. 🤷‍♀️

quite poss, but if they are correct then why shouldent they be correct ?

Firstly, they were utterly incompetence during COVID, sitting on their hands like nodding dogs. Then as they have moved closer and closer to power they have moved further and further away from courses of action that may have actually have helped those in poverty, they have a serious problem with women, those in their party - Duffield, and those out of it who won't toe the line, Starmer engages in the topsy turvey language play of slippy genderists.

Why can't labour just work on convincing people to vote for them? Why do we need to vote tactically?

😳 no idea with this

@TooBigForMyBoots is attacking for little reason, it’s tedious

Moving on from that over focus

I don’t see why both parties can’t offer policies that many women want at a GE, others of course but including sex based rights one that plenty are campaigning on

Firstly, they were utterly incompetence during COVID, sitting on their hands like nodding dogs.

I realise this may come as a terrible shock to you but they weren’t in power in 2020. Their competence wasn’t in question because all they could do was watch from the sidelines. Of course if Johnson had done the sensible thing and formed a national government like his hero Churchill things might have been very different.

in that case my apologies,