Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

some people once said they voted for Thresa may because they liked her hair style.

No I responded earlier because it annoys me when people assume I’m using this as a way to legitimise a vote or that I don’t care

I haven’t actually made up my mind about you, if you are happy for there to be campaigning then great

Although I actually would love a vote based on sex v gender so women can decide

Aspirations are cheap, aren't they?

Broken promises are cheaper and there have been plenty of those in the last 13 years. What happened to levelling up?

No. We don’t have Thatcher, or Heath, or Major or any of the previous competent Tories either. I disagreed with all of them (sometimes violently) but they were competent and you knew what they stood for. The current lot - incompetent, and while I know what they stand for it’s not good. They stand only for their own interests and care nothing for the country.
While Labour aren’t the politicians of the past either, they are competent and there’s no indication they might be corrupt and I believe they will do what they believe to be right for the country.
The financial situation is the same for both (though will continue to get worse with current Tory policies).

Are you a Tory voter?

It'll be never with the Tories for sure. They have no plans.

Our choice is more of this shit from the Tories, or an industrial strategy, some attempt to transition to a greener economy, better industrial relations, and a prioritisation of ordinary working families over the richest estates.

The criticisms you make of Starmer are what was said of Blair in 1996. He made the country much better off.

It's time for a new government. This lot are washed up.

Yeah, safe to assume that no one is voting for Brylcreem Lego hair in either blue or red.

I think women should campaign for sex based rights. I hope that making a noise about it shifts politicians. I would prefer that it comes up as much as possible, so long as it's not at the expense of crowding out other social issues. My point is that it is a strawman to present it as a clear Tory versus Labour divide, plus an election concern, especially as one that trumps other social issues.

Is there any thinking person who doubts what you say?

I was genuinely asking about the HRA and ECHR, honestly!

Thank you and yes, the money's crap but ultimately I do it because I care and try tI help in some small way. But fellow colleagues are leaving in droves from burn out and the stress of it all - it's quite difficult to sleep in your nice comfy bed when you know others don't have that luxury. We have never encountered such high levels of demand and handling cases with greater degrees of complexity( as there is nowhere left to signpost to anymore) as under this Tory government

I don't think they are competent. I can't imagine how they have demonstrated competence to you?

Both parties are welcome to change on this knowing it’s important to women

It obviously doesn’t have to be the only thing but a GE is a good time to offer a vote including policies to do with it

Shameful is one word for it.

Part of a multifaceted attack on women is how I'd describe it. The Tories that don't hate us, don't give a shit about us.

They're competent.

It is cheap talk to say they're not, but they're clearly a step towards normal politics compared to the utter chaos we've had since 2019.

They're ordinary politicians.

It is so easy to say they're all the same, in fact it is one of the Tories' only available attack lines, but it isn't true.

I’m grateful for this thread OP. I always vote tactically to try and get the national result I would like with the system as it is.

This thread had just made me realise that with DD being a student in a safe Labour seat she would be wise to use her vote where we are which is currently a Tory seat. Will discuss it with her and her partner as well tomorrow. I might not have thought of it without this thread so thank you very much.

Can you suggest where they haven’t demonstrated competence? Specifically the Front Bench? Starmer and Reeves, for eg, had very responsible jobs which they did competently before entering politics.
Which Tory has demonstrated any of late, out of interest?

@Desecratedcoconut I think they are equally competent as the Tories. It's hard to say when they're not in power. The Tories have demonstrated sufficient incompetence based on policies that I think Labour are less likely in support of:

Lining the pockets of millionaire/billionaire friends; the PPE fiasco which cost the country billions, Partygate and all the lying; austerity measures; cutting benefits and abandoning those in need. That's true incompetence, and it's based on not giving a shit about people.

I'm not looking for a line of attack. I'm asking. I've seen them roll back on so many things they said they would and will do - I'm wondering what you could base that confidence on?

The Home Secretary is a hugely competent comedian.

Sorry to hear that, but perfectly understandable. The very best always leave. Its too much to bear. And I do blame this government wholeheartedly for letting us descend into this shit show. They can't get in again they just can't. I won't let myself even consider it!

Absolutely, they're a bunch of bastards. But while they are apathetic about women's rights they won't hit the accelerator on decimating them and have the cheek to call it progress and entrench that misogyny so much further in law and policy that it will take generation to undo the damage.

A)They already have
B) Why do you think Labour will?
C)Why do you think Tories won’t go further than they already have?
D)Why would it be hard to undo if they did? Laws get changed all the time.

a) ?
b) Because they have told us so.
c) because they are moving back from gender craziness, they don't oust gender critical MPs from conferences, they don't heckle their gender critical MPs from the sidelines
d) because that's how it works.

they don't oust gender critical MPs from conferences, they don't heckle their gender critical MPs from the sidelines

They just rape and sexually assault women and suggest sedating their spouses to make them docile. I guess that’s better for women? 🤷‍♀️