Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

I seem to remember Labour were the ones who introduced the tax credit system. It certainly got me out of poverty.

No amount of any other do-gooding by the Tories will make up for Austerity. It might not affect some people, but a lot of people are living in hell because of it.

Perhaps I am but at least I’ll be able to sleep at night.

The info @lifeturnsonadime posted is interesting.

If we could talk about all this a little better it would be good.

I'm so sick of the way it is discussed I don't discuss it that well myself.

I really do hate the culture wars.

Jesus.
I’m not accepting unfairness. I specifically said if twin rooms are enforced it’s wrong and I’m happy to protest about it with you.
I suggesting, on balance of probabilities, that it isn’t happening and people can only choose a twin as a pair.

A lot of people coming to this thread right now will not understand what the current argument is about or how it relates to voting the tories out. It's either derailed into bickering or a lot of deep, important discussion has been missed.

Why don’t you put in the request?
As I’ve said, that link is clearly for returning students as well as first years as it has double rooms on it. You don’t normally go with your partner either.

Some unis do have shared rooms for prior strangers. Often actually chosen by more affluent students who attended boarding school. Predominantly male . Otherwise chosen by couples.

I asked about this at two open days.

They are more common in older unis : Durham, Edinburgh, St Andrew's....

I'd be amazed if a trans student elected to share. The only trans student I knew of at uni had human faeces smeared on their door with shocking regularity.

There is £55 per week difference between single on suite and shared on suite
319 vs 374 Per Week.... UCL Battersea)

The super hi cost here is the scandal not room type.

It has derailed into bickering!!

It always does at the moment!

No, that’s mot the case.
We can tell this because there are double rooms.
Most students at most institutions live out in the 2nd and 3rd years. Most at least allow application for rooms. Why do you think there are doubles? Do you think they are allocated randomly too?

Sadly yes. And God help us when the election date’s finally announced. We’ll be wading through virtual blood!

What do single or double rooms at uni and trans rights have to do with voting the Tories out? Are the Tories better with standing up for our rights? How do we know this?

wasn't tampering with the truth

I suppose if you ignore the whole WMD and Iraq war thing you could make that statement truthful 🤷‍♀️

Otherwise , I don’t think many intending or considering voting Labour are doing so with rose tinted specs (though I concede some may be). I don’t think I’ve heard anyone suggest that a vote for labour will lead to land of milk and honey but there are high hopes that there can be a restoration of proper politics that will engage well on the global stage, reassure global markets that there aren’t complete amateurs in charge economically and make proper inroads into issues that are going to last the decade and beyond.

as I’m a tactical voter I will be researching the predictions for my area and going with whichever party is likely to unseat the current Tory MP. It’s very likely not Labour so as much as I hope they win they aren’t promised my vote.

So you don't know yet, but you have a feeling that Labour will have developed policies that will improve lives in a way you don't yet know, you have a feeling that Tories won't prioritize well-being?

I understand that you haven't scathing about those of us who prioritise this single issue as other posters, and I appreciate that these things are unknowns.

I see that Labour row back on policies they said they would pursue each and every day - the green pledge yesterday. It's my opinion that the room for economic manoeuvre is hamstrung by tough economic limitations. I don't see that Labour will ride in and improve things. Meanwhile, I think they will decimate women's rights, their political voice (see Duffield), policy in institutions etc, etc in a blaze of gender theology.

Because the government has chosen not to raise tuition fees in line with university costs (whilst taking steps to deliberately increase those costs) universities have to find other ways to fund students education, so accomodation costs have increased dramatically. Since universities can charge more for single and ensuite rooms, than twin rooms and shared bathroom facilities, there has been a move to single ensuite rooms as well.

This is entirely a result of the choices made by the current government.

Same, @Firefly2009 , same…
Shiny 😊

Yeah, that's the main thing.

If people could only select a room as a pair why doesn't it say so on the UCL website? Why should someone who doesn't know another person be prevented from applying to stay in a twin room when it is financially advantageous to do so , probably in the tune of around £100 a week. (Edited someone has said it's £55 per week but still that's over £200 a month! which makes a massive difference to students).

On the balance of probabilities this could happen.

It is easy to solve by making provisions single sex.

does anyone vote on a party for whats best for the country ?

It is for someone who values their integrity, yes.

The UCL website says that it's halls are for first years only. There are some exceptions but this tends to be if a person is disabled and needs specific accommodation.

Doubles are not allocated randomly nor are family rooms.

The only reason you know Tory policies is because they are in power an enacting them. How well is that going?
And are you sure they’ll do the same after the election? No. It’ll be in their manifesto (though they’re ignoring the current one, so 🤷‍♀️)
They have fucked job it’s time for someone else. It’s most likely Labour as the next biggest party. I’d be happy with anyone but Tory or their further right offshoots. I’ve never said anyone should vote Labour (though I think it’s clear I will - but that’s at least partly because it’s the best option not to have Tory in my constituency).

No, we all vote for shits and giggles. 🙄

@Jamesclaton007 i suspect that’s the motivation for most tactical voters. It’s is for me.