Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

I haven't read the entire thread. For those of us that haven't scrolled through 23 pages of arguments about women's rights and the like and who is offending whom here; is it actually the case that the Tories are offering more in terms of women's rights, protection for women, single sex spaces, and anything else talked about? (Genuine question - I don't know).

Is it the case that people will vote Tory based on the fact that Labour are not up to scratch? Even if that's still the case, surely there's not a massive difference in it, and we just need a change of government after the shit-show of the past few years?

Am I the only one who thinks most politicians are not that great so you just pick the lesser of two evils? Surely it is worth it to get the Tories out? I'm not saying this other stuff isn't important, just to pick your battles. The country is going to the dogs. I think we should save the sinking ship rather than figure out the intricacies of how to sail it.

Politicians are shit. The Tories are the worst - overall. If I vote Tory because the local Tory MP is better than the Labour one, the ship still goes down when the Tories win. I'm in the camp of what is best for the country overall, is more important than my local issues. But that's just me.

Did you ignore the part I quoted on twin rooms? If you scroll down it is there.

One thing is certain a party that includes as a senior minister someone who thinks that drugging your wife is a jolly jape has no integrity.
One thing is certain a party that is lead by someone who sat by doing nothing when his then boss lied in parliament about their joint lawbreaking has no integrity.

Do I need to continue?

Interested in which Labour policies will pull children out of poverty?

Meanwhile, the truth and the ability to speak truthfully is the cornerstone of a working democracy. I think a government who represents a population has no place to subvert truth in favour of theologically driven gender bollocks because that fails everyone.

What I’m suggesting is that those rooms are for people to choose in pairs, rather than as an allocation. If not, I’ll go and protest there alongside you. I don’t think it would be right to allocate on the basis of gender.

There you go not enough detail and too much at the same time

But your typically kind post is noted

True to form

Yes, I remember, it's enough for you that Starmer looks sad. It's regardless if he does nothing.

So, yes, please continue. What is it that Labour will do, that you believe if worth handing over women's stake in their sex class?

People don't tend to go to university in pairs though, do they?

I guess some do but it would be unusual, but that doesn't help the girls who get an offer from UCL who can only afford to share a room with a stranger.

Thanks for accepting the unfairness of this on girls.

@lifeturnsonadime

There isn't an endless pot of money, priorities will have to be made.

Single sex toilets vs adult social care.
Reduced tuition fees vs extra nursing places

etc
etc

Unfortunately for the Tories, all that matters is tax cuts, so everything gets cut.

Until we get out of our low growth cycle, this is the reality or we tax more?

Can we just accept that all the parties are absolute shite, and just vote for the least-worst one? General election will sort it out. No arguing on MN is going to sway people differently from who they choose to vote for.

Cost may be an issue. But what I’m asking, and you don’t know (fair enough) is whether you have to put in a double application for a twin with another person you chose, as you do with double rooms. Why would they be allocated any differently, really?

Can I check when you post in this way is it because you think it’s pleasant or necessary?

I can’t say I get why adults do this, is it a flash of feeling good

I’m basing my vote on past experience. The last Labour government virtually eliminated child poverty, this government has increased it exponentially. Which party would it be logical for me to vote for?

Starmer was committed to significant changes to university tuition fees until the Tories crashed the economy last autumn, which meant that billions had to be paid to those linked to Tufton Street who benefitted from it, and left much less for other government spending.

Your post was about double rooms not twin rooms.

Single sex is better unless it’s based on choice.
A Female student may want to share a room with a male one if they are close friends. I wouldn’t (unless we were a couple, then I’d want a double, not a twin) but you are still raising an issue with zero idea of whether it could ever happen. Do UCL ask for twin rooms to be chosen as a pair or do they allocate them to random students? I’d be very surprised if it’s the latter, and I think we would have heard about it even without trans related issues.

The last Labour government was full of MPs who knew their arsehole from their elbows, wasn't tampering with the truth and operated in a completely different economic market.

You are in for one hell of a disappointment.

There you go not enough detail and too much at the same time

It’s a tough balance to find, to question if you’re just waffling away endlessly like a headless chicken or saying something useful. I find it hard too, but solve this problem by not posting hundreds of times a day.

But your typically kind post is noted
Thanks! ☺️

Policies will be in the manifesto.
Last time Labour were in power it resulted in far fewer children (and adults) being in poverty.
I can see Tory policies putting more people in poverty every day.
Therefore I deduce it’s likely Labour will do better.

Maybe put an FOI request in for this information?

I reckon it would be small number for the reasons I have stated, I can't imagine a high percentage of friends would both get offers at such a competitive institution and request a twin room. Much more likely to be a girl with tighter finances.

But no I don't know.

Much easier wouldn't it, for a university to be obliged legally to offer single sex provisions?

I am disappointed that no political party will do this. Especially Labour who are supposed to be progressive and be the party for women.

I think the hijacking comments have come about because you seem to find it offensive that other posters find points of interest in your posts and challenge them.

Specifically the challenging leads to you accusing others of trying to intimidate you and sway your position, that’s very much you trying to shut down others. Including outright telling people to stop posting on this thread.

Of course people will defend themselves against those accusations if that wasn’t their intention.

People tend to be at university for more than one year, so yes, might opt to share a room with a friend in the second or third year to save money. Why else do you think there are double rooms? People don’t tend to go in couples, either.

This is crazy

I get a lot of posts directed at me, some I respond to some I ignore

People can post to each other as they wish. Go for it

These halls are offered to first year students, people have to live out for second and third years.