Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Then you best ask the PM to call the general election then.

I am posting what I want.
You’ve told me I’ve insulted you, berated you, dictated your vote, want to ban your vote… I’m getting the distinct feeling you don’t actually like me posting what I want.

Me too

And tactical voting in my area is a must to GTTO

In the case of someone being allocated a twin room with no choice in either that or who shared it with her, then I agree. What I’m not seeing is evidence this happens. How are those rooms allocated?

jesus

No really post as you wish.. not about me perhaps?

Plenty of other things available

They’ll make women’s lives better by focussing in things which improve everyday life, essentially. NHS, education, care, benefits etc etc.

Now, come on, that's just words and you want to talk about something different....I'm asking which policies have they convinced you will be beneficial enough to hand over your ability to speak truthfully about reality?

No idea, he's currently waiting on offers before applying for accommodation.

But isn't it easier just to make double rooms single sex and have proper single sex provisions, rather than make a girl declare her 'bigotry' in the eyes on the university on a form, or worse have to object when she arrives faced with a situation where a girl gender person is actually a male?

Just not women with an interest in politics that may sound vaguely like they’re Labour supporters? Oh, and may not hold gender policies as ‘the’ most important topic right now.

So, you will hand over your integrity for a feeling that they will have some useful policies?

Seriously? I haven’t posted ‘about you’. I’ve answered your criticisms of me with examples of things you’ve posted about me…and they were (occasionally) close to personal attacks - that I’m ‘berating’ for eg.

I'm not sure how a person can choose upfront when rooms are based on gender not sex ?

If a person puts down their gender as female then you wouldn't have any choice until you arrive because you wouldn't know!

Policies will come in the manifesto.
Why is that hard to grasp?
Meanwhile we know the Tories dreadful policies because they are enacting them.

Posters moaning GC topic too prevalent

I'm really interested in women's rights, in actually discussing them.

What I find really boring is what I mentioned upthread - posters who don't discuss women's rights in any detail or any way that is interesting, just say 'what about women's rights' over and over and over again.

I’d agree they should say single sex. Gender is a nonsense.
But is there any evidence, any at all, that those rooms are allocated at random to pairs of people who haven’t asked for them?

No you do you.

Go ahead as per pp feel free to not focus on me

I find it important, not the only importance as I said in pp but funding / economics too

But if you and others just post without telling me I’m ‘hijacking’ because I care about women’s sex based rights then great. Go for it

Later, later...

What exactly was it that everyone wanted to talk about that gender critical posters were subverting when none of you have a bloody clue what policies they will have?

Experience tells me that typcially, including at UCL, students who put universities as their firm or insurance choice get a choice of what accomodation they would like to be in, and university accomodation offices work hard to fulfil those requirements. To spread the workload on those offices some universities start allocating rooms earlier in the process than others. Some do not start until after A-level results day. For those that start before A-level results day, those who secure a place in clearing may have a reduced choice of accomodation available to them, but I would be very surprised* if a student never had a choice of single accomodation.
*Although thinking about it further for some students it may not be as much as a choice as others due to twin rooms typically being cheaper. But if that is the issue then we should probably discuss the whole of university funding and the cost of living crisis.

My integrity is in no danger. I want what’s best for the country, particularly the million children living in destitution. If I voted against their interests I really would have thrown my integrity overboard along with my moral compass.

Seriously? There’s loads of detail

What are you after?

Again I don't know. But financial constraints will mean some girls don't have an option to apply for a single room, that's no choice for them really is it?

Double rooms are significantly cheaper than single rooms.

The UCL link that was shared is quite clear that double rooms are for couples.

If you care about womens rights, why don't you ever criticise the Tories for their policies on DV, rape, women stuck hospital, lack of carers in the community, allowing men into female prisons (so long as they aren't violent)
Really? i mean a criminal by their very nature is likely to be capable of violence.

all of this you remain silent on but they are real world female issues.

I can only speak for myself. Experience tells me that, in the past, Labour policies have aligned with my beliefs about what is best for ordinary people and for women and girls as part of that group. It also shows me that things actually do get better for women and girls under a Labour government (look at child poverty rates, for example). At the moment, that’s all people are saying. Nobody has voted for anybody yet.
If the Labour manifesto is full of policies worse than anyone else’s then I doubt any of us would advocate voting for them or in away which gives them power.
In my view, that’s vanishingly unlikely. Given what I know about the Tories, I think they need to be out. The result of that is likely to be a Labour (or Labour led) government. Therefore I suggest voting tactically to get Tories out (note - I still haven’t said anyone should vote Labour). If the Tories suddenly have an epiphany (good day for it) and produce brilliant policies well…it would give food for thought, but I still wouldn’t trust them after the lies and corruption of recent years, so I’d still suggest (not dictate) a tactical vote to get them out.

Finance plays a huge part. Has Starmer committed to remove tuition fees to ease the burden on these female student's to make a choice of single room easier?

I'm saying that partly tongue in cheek.

This is another example of how less advantaged girls are more vulnerable though.

Single sex is better.

Starmer could make it clear that single sex provisions should be for biological females only and exclude even males with a GRC. I wish he would.

There’s loads of detail

No, can you post some more, in more detail. It’s really interesting😵‍💫