Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

So it's not happening?

I wish you'd just answer a question, it is a straight question.

Ha at this. I’m not delicate after you all post as you do on every thread. Come on 😂you’re all committed to telling me to stop because fucking hell it’s dull that women care, I get it.

Like I said I’m grateful to every poster you don’t badger off and continues. And every woman on Twitter or wherever that does the same

But vote how you want and I will too 🤷‍♂️

Oh and of course I’m going to do what I choose are you banning my vote?

Do I sound delicate or insecure? 🤔

I'm just surprised by the zeal from other mnetters to tell other women what they should be doing and prepared to belittle their concerns. It's rude.

And I don’t disagree with you. I’d like them to up their game. I think they aren’t because their (professional and knowledgable) pollsters tell them it’s not going to make a blind bit of difference to the election result but could lead to huge culture war nonsense in the press which could affect the result.
It’s disappointing. Getting the Tories out (note - I’m not saying vote Labour, it at all, I’m saying vote tactically) is still, in my view, the best thing for the country and particularly for more vulnerable groups (including many women and girls).

Amen to that.

I wouldn’t be too concerned tactical voting is a very small percentage of voters most people vote for the party they want to be on government and often that is down to the party leader

more may do coke this election that isn’t a bad thing I’m just pleased people are voting

So would I, but I give you....

baby changing in women's toilets.
Male attendants
Disabled males
& health emergencies.

You are the queen of whataboutery when it comes to ensuring women don't have access to the single sex spaces that we need to have equality to males in society.

Eastern bought up the gender side of your OP with a few posts on pg1.

..and thats all fine but people who disagree can and do argue their case with her but it does prove the point that as with many other political threads, Gender is mentioned repetitively.

No you’re not. You get your Labour threads and attack on this one

It’s obvious gender is important to the op it’s in the initial post

Just swerve if dull there’s a whole site out there

More may do coke 😆😆😆

im sure I typed more may do so this election 🤷🏻‍♀️

For all I know it is happening and girls have been told to shut up and that they are bigots.

It could happen as the law says the girl is wrong for objecting.

If you don't have an issue with that, that's up to you. I do.

Jesus.
Why do you always say that anyone who agrees with you doesn’t care about women’s rights? I do. I just have a different view about the best way to ensure good outcomes for women and girls in the current political situation.
And I still can’t see how anyone could think more of the Tories was better for any aspect of life in this country unless they were a dyed in the wool supporter already.
Where have I insulted you, as a matter of interest?

Over 50% of voters are considering tactical voting this time!

Why can’t you do it on another thread?

There’s no limit

Do you ever start threads or berate people on threads like this

Sorry, what point was that?

Because I am an ostrich.

And I was happy for her to do so - she wasn't piling on whereas some posters just cannot seem to bear that some women really do care about this.

Yes it really is insane

Where have I insulted you, as a matter of interest?

You haven’t @cardibach any more than I have. If we had our posts would have been instantly reported.

'As for starting a new political non gender based thread, unfortunately it would become yet another stuck record Gender Labour bashing thread.'

Not so: there's an unbelievably dull Tory-bashing & GC-baiting thread going on at the moment which is being soundly ignored.

However, the answer to all this lies in Labour's hands. To silence their critics, all Labour have to do is restore & protect women's rights in their policies. So why don't they? When so many people (including many ex-Labour Party members) say, "We feel politically homeless because of the LP's stance on women's rights," or, "I really want to vote Labour but I can't because of their stance on women's rights," wouldn't you think a sensible party would do something about that?

Are there any twin rooms in U.K. student accommodation? I’m not aware of any. They’ve heavily gone for single rooms with en suites. Even in the 80s when I went twin rooms were incredibly rare.
And if you can find examples of them (which I doubt - was about to google myself) is there any evidence someone has to accept one?
There are many genuine concerns around women’s rights and trans issues. Pretty sure this isn’t one, so stop scaremongering about it.

You are berating women for speaking up

Well me to be precise

It’s tedious and insulting

Because my voting priority is to preserve women's status as a sex class, because the cascade of consequences will have a deeper and longer lasting impact for women than switching out one government for another with seemingly mirror policies....but will look a bit sad and do head tilts for you.

However, the answer to all this lies in Labour's hands. To silence their critics, all Labour have to do is restore & protect women's rights in their policies. So why don't they? When so many people (including many ex-Labour Party members) say, "We feel politically homeless because of the LP's stance on women's rights," or, "I really want to vote Labour but I can't because of their stance on women's rights," wouldn't you think a sensible party would do something about that?

This is it isn't it? If only they would step up and speak out.

In what a few polls

this has been quoted before it’s not the first time there has been an apparent surge of tactical voting

but in the end it doesn’t happen you are more likely to have non voting, apathy especially as things are just slightly improving which is predicted to continue

neither party is particularly exciting voters at present I think we are far more likely to see voter apathy