Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Why are you here on this political thread with gender in the op?

Can’t you start a new one? The amount of moaning is unreal

And you have plenty of Labour echo chambers on mn anyway

Do you need it all?

Like the Candyman, you say gender five times and they appear.

How is asking for fair provisions for competing rights unfair?

Why do women ALWAYS have to step aside for males?

Most swimming baths are modern and have disabled changing facilities. If you & your friend were fair you would access ones which have appropriate facilities or lobby for them to exist locally, Not just expect women to give up single sex spaces.

I see the usual crowd is out with the pointing finger to tell women that their voting concerns aren't the correct voting issues again 🙄
Yes, @Desecratedcoconut . Women who think getting Tories out is the best thing for the country as a whole and women in particular are told this all the time.

Anyone who continues to prop up this corrupt government is not someone I could ever vote for.

Ideally they would have disabled facilities and a designated changing space. If they do not they they need to find a way to accommodate your friend - how is this me putting up obstacles? 😂

I don’t find it tedious but I’m sick and tired of every discussion that’s remotely political being centred on it. Don’t you realise how many people you turn off with your endless hijacking every thread?

Your not stepping aside for the men. Now now, be a good little woman and do what the men want.

And here you are telling women not to care again

Jesus it’s not compulsory you know

You don't have to be on this thread. Freedom of choice and all.

Other threads are available...

Yes they are. All the fucking time. We’re told voting Labour is wrong because…well, I’m not really sure, because their comments in women’s rights are pretty much identical to the Tories…but in any case a vote for Labour is bad and will result in women losing all their rights.

Any answer yet?

I am glad that we are in agreement that I never said what you said that I did. Thank you for that acknowledgement.

There have already been several examples on this thread where there seems to be universal agreement that it would be perfectly appropriate for a man to enter a female changing room.

Lets consider another scenario.

You are the First Aider on duty at work along with a colleague of the opposite sex. A colleague calls you both to tell you that they have found someone they think is having a heart attack in the toilet.
If the toilet is not of your sex do you a) never enter b) wait to enter until your colleague arrives c) enter straightaway because you know that in such situations every second could make a difference?

Lobbying hard by posting so many times on MN?

Why don't you contact the Labour party & lobby hard to get them to do the right thing by women? It seems a surer way to get the Labour government you want - if any women would trust them now.

This is deliberately inflammatory. The OP specifically referenced tactical voting and some of us have tried to discuss that.

Please could you give a link to reports of this actually happening in the UK?

Happy to read any real reports.

Sounds a bit made up.

I'm pretty interested in all these issues, but only where they are real.

If you read my posts you will see that I don't think a vote for the Tories is better I want Labour to take this issue seriously.

How do we get them to do that if we shut up and go away?

Good on her, shows Starmers work at changing the party is working, still more to do.
In 2020, he'd just got in.

She writes
Why have I bothered to persist with a party that didn’t want me? Because – despite the imperfections of the Labour Party, and yes, I know there are many – I firmly believe that Labour offers the best policies for the majority of women in the UK

Great news.

If everyone else can just turn up and get changed, and a disabled person cannot then an obstacle has been put in their way.

It does neatly illustrate how it is very easy to say that changing facilities should be single sex, but when that ideal meets the real world challenges can arise.

We aren't, see Karen Ingala Smith in the post linked to above.

Like the rapists in women's prisons , then along came Isla Bryson.

You might want to cast your eyes on this thread. It's enlightening.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

But, and I can’t say this more clearly,
Tories. Are. The. Same. On. This. Issue.
And worse in every other issue that affects women.
And yet somehow it’s ok to enable them to get back in because Labour haven’t said exactly what you want them to say (never mind the fact they haven’t produced a manifesto yet so you have no idea really what they will say, but you know what Tories will do because they are already doing it).

So you think Labour will be good for sex based rights
Why?

This is madness how delicate are you that women bringing it up causes this reaction. Other Labour threads exist

I mean you’re sought out and posted on this thread for more and whinging about it.

Why have I bothered to persist with a party that didn’t want me? Because – despite the imperfections of the Labour Party, and yes, I know there are many – I firmly believe that Labour offers the best policies for the majority of women in the UK

Do you dismiss a woman who has spent her life working to stop male on female violence?