Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

I didn’t miss it thanks scroll back

But look out for pp who’s moaning about asking questions on this topic just before you

There is another thread today where a whole series of posters have stated what excites them about Sunak and his government. You will find on that thread many comments on the exciting things the government has on its record.

I imagine the Tories thought that about North Shropshire as well, which is why they chose such an unsuitable candidate to contest that by-election.

One of your more erudite and informative posts, thank you.

I know.

The repetitive posters are not interested in women's rights, just pissing about IMO.

It is the same problem as in schools, a couple of disruptive people can take up a lot of bandwidth.

I guess the aim is simply to stop any discussion of Tory failures or Labour policies.

What gives me hope is the focus groups are clear, by-elections are clear, polling is clear.

Scrolling back confirms to me that you did not answer yes or no to the question I asked.
Is it really that difficult to answer yes or no to a question? Have you considered becoming a politican?

The question was.

Do you think that Labour when they are in office later this year should change the GRA?

Good to see you’re as committed as ever to my posts 🙌

Well you do raise an interesting point which is should we vote against the tories even if we don’t much like, say, the Labour candidate

I would question the judgement of ANY candidate that chose to be associated with the absolutely appalling government that we have now. I would have utmost respect otoh for any a good former Tory mp who decided to run as an independent instead however .

in our case the Tory incumbent is useless but retiring, his replacement is a total unknown whereas the lib dem candidate came close 2nd last time and is a very well respected councillor. Bit of a no-brainer to vote lib dem, despite being a Labour supporter

I love your posts. The way you manage to go around supporting the government with such fervour and are so adept at not answering any questions you are asked is truly to be admired.

Calm down. You’re eager to tell us why a Labour government would be a bad thing but cannot for the life of you pinpoint any decent things the Conservative government has done. Clearly you aren’t dependent on public services
like most of us so there must be something we are missing ?

You do realise your Labour lot are posting on the same topic

If it’s really too hard for you start another thread..

Yes, in your circumstances I'd be voting for the Lib Dem candidate too. It's seemingly exactly the sort of seat that can be targeted to get the Tories out.

Please can you confirm where Starmer has unequivocally stated that by single sex provisions under the EqA he means biological women rather than biological women plus males who are legally women thanks to the GRC. If he has, in fact , clearly set this out then I apologise because this is key.

Has he also stated how he intends to prevent legal women (all males) from accessing single sex spaces using the EqA?

I think if I am wrong and he has done these things many women can be reassured.

Lovely I know you like me to notice you on every thread

I prefer not but what can you do. You’re committed

I responded on pp already on funding and lack of any for Labour.

When you say you want all males to be barred from accessing single sex spaces, may I ask for some clarifications on situations that I and my family have faced.

Lets say I was travelling with my ds when he was younger and he needed to go to the toilet, would he be permitted to come into the female toilets with me?

Equally if my partner was with one of our dc when they were in nappies and the only available baby changing facilities were in the female toilets, would he be permitted to use them?

I'm certainly no Tory supporter but the reality is that things won't be that different under Labour. There basically isn't any money available with debt, interest payments and taxation all at record highs.

Every time there is an election coming up the popular cry is to vote for the opposition on the grounds "well they can't be any worse than the Government we've got" and every time they do prove to be worse through further increasing debt, interest payments and taxation.

Unfortunately in a democracy where there is a choice between Candidate A that promises to increase spending but that will mean increased taxation and Candidate B who promises to increase spending but not raise taxation by insert BS reason of cutting waste, closing loopholes, growing the economy etc. Every time voters go for Candidate B who becomes the politician. Then when they either don't increase spending or do increase taxes they get accused of being a lying politician.

The only reason politicians lie is because if they told the truth they would never get elected. So who is to blame here the voters or the politicians?

You labour lot ? I think disgust with the current government unites voters of all political colours. Even Reform or UKIP ones.
Many life long tories cannot bring themselves to vote for the conservatives this time. That you are amongst the few defending them and by extension their record in government says more about you tbh.

I am indeed committed to trying to learn from an expert.

Anyhow.
Yes or no

Do you think that Labour when they are in office later this year should change the GRA?

Isn't what you are asking for expressed in the post you quoted?

there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access.

@1dayatatime evidence that labour leaves the economy in a worse state than the tories ?

That lifelong Tories can't bring themselves to vote for them again is very clear in polling evidence such as this.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Whatever

Labour won’t get my vote I don’t believe I’ve let you know where it will go, and why should I exactly?

What is it with vote scolders on mn. You do you, you don’t get my vote too

That doesn't seem to stop them finding people to blame them on though, or plenty of people believing them. 😄

I agree though, and it's one reason I'm not concerned about the argument that I must vote Labour to avoid "letting the Tories in". The only really likely scenarios are a majority Labour government and a minority Labour government. The second of those would be far, far better IMO.

I shall definitely vote tactically this time. Makes absolute sense.