Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Good point.

Very good question

I think that she meant an actual penis not a bit of arm skin and fat with a pump. Words have meanings.

It’s not really if you realise you and others are mixing up the GRA and the EqA

However Labour will defend both Acts so no change bar easier GRC and maybe a hate crime which includes males for the first time as women and other gender legislation harmful to women

If you really are hoping Labour will look at these acts they’ve stated they won’t. Gender will be more prominent not less

Highly transphobic to label this a medical condition btw. Very TERFY. 😮

I really doubt there is anyone who wants to vote Tory because of their protection of women's rights.
Instead there are many people who want to vote Tory and are justifying it because But Jeremy Corbyn It was only a little bit of cake But Keir had a beer they know what a woman is.

THIS.

It is strange how detail is important.

In a thread earlier this morning I was asked yes or no, whether people should be allowed into spaces normally reserved for the other sex.
When I pointed out some of the problems that would cause the goal posts moved, then I pointed out further issues and the goal posts moved again.

Of course if you have memory problems like Sunak does, then these kind of details are sadly quite beyond you.

I don't believe the GRA addresses that, maybe take it up with Badenoch?

You need to take this up with various medical authorities around the world, inc a few prestigious US medical institutes and the UKs NHS, run by.... you guessed it, the Tories.

I think you are confusing me with another poster.

I know you like yes or no questions so

@EasternStandard have I understood correctly your position on an earlier thread on the subject that changing the status quo with respect to the GRA is far too difficult for the Tories to do, but that you want the Labour party to do so, because they will be much more competent at being a government?

No you haven’t you’ve got it wrong

Would you @EasternStandard be so kind to answer a follow up question or two to help me identify which parts are wrong.
We established earlier that you think it is too hard for Sunak to change the GRA.

I'll keep it yes or no.

Do you think that Labour when they are in office later this year should change the GRA?

Which is why i put it in quotes.

You don't know what he meant but a woman with surgery that can pee and maintain an erection using part of her clitoris, medically has a "penis"

Biologically still a woman.

Oh yes to get a GRC and be legally be known in your new Gender, you need to have a medical diagnosis.
https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/what-documents-you-need

The Tories made this considerably easier, the fee is just £5 and they opened up more clinics to shorten the waiting lists, didn't do that for a child with suspected Autism did they?

You appear to know very little about the GRA and the GRC for someone with such strong views.

How does a woman with skin and arm fat appended to her medically have a penis?

Please be very specific.

There is no requirement for a man to have gender dysphoria for him to identify as a woman and enter single sex spaces. If you think that there is then I can understand a bit more why women’s rights matter so little to you as those diagnoses are the exception not the norm.

I agree that the conservatives would have been better focusing on autism than gender. I have 2 autistic kids.

EqA absolutely - as in pp currently in progress

GRA maybe for either party, I’d say it used to be a no go but let’s see how it changes over time

Labour won’t change either Act though and have already stated that

So should yes for EqA. Will they no

I agree the religious right, including Badenoch, want to remove rights from women.

The Tory party is a huge threat to women.

@lifeturnsonadime
Phalloplasty is surgery for masculinizing gender affirmation. Phalloplasty is a multistaged process that may include a variety of procedures, including: Creating the penis. Lengthening the urethra so you are able to stand to urinate
(John Hopkins Medicine)

Its not me suggesting it.

Sorry but please don;'t tell me what i care about or not, having been a victim of DV as was my mum, i care very much about DV and the cuts to services, the numbers of women being murdered through DV is increasing, thanks to the Tories, so i will take no lessons from you on womens rights.

On trans man erections

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609522012371

It doesn’t seem a functioning penis can be replicated in the way @jasflowers is suggesting.

Bloody awful that money is being made to butcher bodies to replicate the opposite sex rather than deal with the mental health issues that lead a person to have such surgeries.

No one can convince me that ‘gender’ is good for women. It leads women to lose rights and other women to have radical surgeries because they reject womanhood.

@DewHopper it appears to me the GTTO campaign to vote tactically is the answer to the problems you have.

Firstly, enough tactical voters in your constituency will unseat your dismal Tory MP. Secondly it sends a clear message to the Conservatives that if they want people to vote for them, they need to improve the calibre of candidate they stand.

Two birds. One stone. Job's a good'un.

Yet again a thread has been derailed by single issue voters activists. Weird that.
An issue that isn’t even important in surveys. All designed to detract from the absolute mess the UK is in.
Note that a certain poster cannot even bring herself to comment on the actual government record of the tories.

However @DewHopper seems to be saying that she's in a Tory seat which is so safe she feels the sitting MP is unassailable. Hopefully there aren't too many of those seats now.

Don't get drawn into it jas.

I think @EasternStandard you missed my question, which was a yes or no one to keep things simple.

Do you think that Labour when they are in office later this year should change the GRA?

Bloody hell 😳

It’s clear the topic is in the op and throughout the thread.

Is someone forcing you thread it

Have you lost the inability to start your own thread

Jesus .