Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

I don’t know where that quote comes from? If I have missed it upthread then apologies.

Either way has he specified how he will keep males who are legal women and males who self ID out of single sex spaces?

Current polling suggest an 8% chance of a Labour minority government.

Why don't you take it up with a few TRAs and let us know how you get on? 😂

For those interested in tactical voting, here is a link to Conservative seats and the percentage swings needed to get the Tories out.

https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/defence/conservative

@EasternStandard I think it’s blatantly obvious you won’t vote for labour 😂
Still haven’t told us why you’re defending the tories so ardently. I get you don’t like the LP but what exactly have the tories done that you are on literally every thread sticking up for them and naysaying the opposition. Could understand it if the country was in tip top shape but it clearly isn’t. That you don’t know that is a tad worrying and displays a disturbing lack of reality

Tbf you’re choosing to take posts personally that aren’t even addressing you. As well as indulging in a fair bit of amateur moderating telling people where they should be posting 🤷‍♀️

If you’re going to dish it out there’s an argument for learning to manage anything you feel is directed at you without resorting to bleeting about it.

You do remember that high levels of Government debt was a major factor in the elections of 2010 and 2015?

www.economicshelp.org/blog/7568/debt/government-debt-under-labour-1997-2010/

That said the Tories despite the austerity measures managed to increase debt significantly further. In particular they spaffed £500 billion away on Covid measures which was widely supported by voters at the time (except they don't like the downside of paying for it now).

As I said I really don't see how Labour is going to be any different unless they decide to throw the economics book out of the window like Liz Truss tried to do.

It seems voters really do have short memories.

Seriously? Just look at how things are now. The country is on its knees and it's all the fault of Gordon Brown for single handedly causing the American sub-prime mortgage crisis, Ed Milliband for eating a bacon sandwich incorrectly and Jeremy Corbyn for causing Brexit.

Then there's the whole TWAW vs women's rights issue, which has gotten so much worse over the last decade due to "the left", who therefore must obviously have been in power.

You need to get more of your political information from Mumsnet.

Correction, the Tories have increased national debt because of their austerity measures.

You are correct on one point. For much of the last 10 years the government was much further to the left than it is now.

I’ve already said in earlier post why and reality.. well I think lack of funding against expectations is going to be more a reality check for others.

I can see already funding is limited whereas I see multiple posts on how things will have higher spend. I doubt it

@1dayatatime well Labour have no more control over global events than the Tories do but I do know that the Tories have proven themselves as incapable of navigating us through global events and refusing to accept that their political ideals are probably not well timed to experiment on the country with (see Truss practicing her out of date university economics theories).

My former constituency needs a swing of just over 10% to get the sitting Tory out, so I'm hopeful. She's certainly widely disliked and I can invisage a Reform candidate splitting the vote too.

That is very much in the target range.

I agree that the conservatives would have been better focusing on autism than gender. I have 2 autistic kids

The Tavistock Clinic whistleblowers tell horror stories of young people with autism being channelled down the gender route because they did not feel 'right' in their bodies. It is a horrible and sad scandal. Doesn't help that the NAS is also captured.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/19/time-to-think-by-hannah-barnes-review-what-went-wrong-at-gids

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-did-the-tavistock-gender-scandal-unfold/

@ilovesooty well I must say I was wrong. Apparently Reform do have a use.

I know we had limited success earlier with simple yes no questions, but can we try again?

Do you know why when Labour come to power later in the year there will be a lack of funding?

The by-elections have been amazing for showing voters what they can do if they're in the mood to do it.

Got Chris Skidmore's and Peter Bone's seats next.

Absolutely. They poll quite well in their various guises in that constituency and that will certainly disadvantage the Tory incumbent.

Correction, the Tories have increased national debt because of their austerity measures.

Exactly so.

Pretty sure there's statistics out there showing that on average, Tory governments since WWII have borrowed more than Labour ones.

Then there's the fact that debt is not necessarily a bad thing anyway, particularly during times of very low interest rates. And that what makes all the difference in the world is what you're borrowing the money FOR.

The public's (mis)understanding of the economics of debt really is shocking, thanks to the Tory lie that government finances are just like a household budget. They aren't.

Chris Skidmore - that seat is a headache for Sunak, given that it won't exist for much longer.

Here is a reason to vote GTTO

John Burn-Murdoch must drive the government mad with his charts

Well, i ve missed your comments on cuts to DV funding and SENDs funding recently announced

Bear in mind, these are comparatively very small amounts.

Do you support cuts to DV refuge funding and other similar support services?

Another reason to vote GTTO

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/24/more-than-1-million-uk-children-experienced-destitution-last-year-study-finds