Thread 35 - Sunak, the squatter

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Old thread here
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4961707-thread-34-sunak-the-circus-is-back-in-westminster?page=40&reply=131976344

Well as long as you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear. The human rights act is only invoked by those trying to get away with something. The government would never go after honest British citizens so you have noting to fear.

Sub post masters excluded!

The Post Office is a private company, so really something quite different.

If Sunak told me that waiting lists were falling, I would ask him if he was sure as the ONS have reprimanded him many times on his stats - and I would also have mentioned that they were going up before the pandemic.

He got off easy. I would have mentioned the stats and his lies as well.

Urgh. Johnson using his Mail piece to suggest Trump is what the world needs.
Yes because what the world needs is a rapist in charge.

I’m sure he’s been pulled up on the October strikes stat before. Not that that ever stops him repeating his lies.

Haven’t had much time to catch up today. Why are Tata getting rid of 2,800 jobs and didn’t we save British steel quite recently?

Pulling out of NATO
Not supporting Ukraine

Just what the West needs. I thought Johnson cared about Ukraine

Unfortunately making steel makes a LOT of CO2 emissions. It accounts for 7% of global CO2 emissions. You have to get rid of the oxygen from Iron oxide and that uses carbon and also a lot of heat energy to melt the iron oxide.

So the plan is to build an electric arc furnace to deal with recycled steel instead.

(and to import steel from elsewhere)

It would be interesting to invest in developing steel by using hydrogen to remove the oxygen instead of carbon. Hydrogen could be made by green electrolysis of water.

But that's a whole new debate about green steel technology.

I’m trying to get my head round it. Guessing that if you basically increase imports to the U.K. to replace the virgin steel we were making then UK carbon emissions go down, global ones not so much and you’ve lost loads of jobs.

Presumably paying 500m to make loads of people redundant is part of Rishi’s vote winning strategy.

Seems an odd hill to die on given his war on public transport and active/sustainable transport. I’m assuming somebody is making money from it.

That is basically what the Unions were saying.

I know some countries are investing in green steel.
And there is also aluminium extraction - responsible for 3% of industrial Carbon emissions. And it's possible to make green aluminium

Aluminium - IEA

Green Aluminum: The Sustainable Metal (harboraluminum.com)

Maybe we should be investing money in such technologies in the UK?
But no doubt the cost of such metal production is more than producing it using technologies that produce carbon dioxide.

I’d imagine it is more expensive or steel/aluminium producing companies would already have switched over.

In other environmental news the government granted ‘emergency use’ for neonicotinoids yesterday. For the 5th year running I think. If we’re killing the rivers we might as well kill the bees too.

In for a penny, in for a pound

Brexit divergence from EU destroying UK’s vital environmental protections | Green politics | The Guardian

And if we don't keep up with the EU, it might make it harder for trading with them.

This government’s green credentials are shit so I really don’t buy the government investing in greener steel production. It’s got to be about whose pocket the £500m pledged in September ends up in.

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1748462793223741834

Tegraph reporting asylum seekers to be allowed to work in shortage sectors. But I can’t be the only person who 1st thought was ‘hang on the DT are employing Rachel Johnson as their new sex columnist.’

Who owns the Port Talbot steel works?

A TV programme in recent years featuring Shaun Greenhalgh, master forger of 'ancient' artefacts, was horrified by the poor quality of the only steel he was able to buy to make a replica of something for the programme. He likes to choose the components of his work with care. 'To think they make buildings out of this'. Poor Port Talbot, another industry and its workers on the Tory scrapheap.

Unfortunately it's being framed and being blamed on Net Zero.

The reality is that extracting metals using blast furnaces, electrolysis etc can produce a lot of emissions.

We need to find alternative ways to extract such metals - but this announcement does mean that we will be importing steel - so whilst our carbon emissions may go down, the overall worldwide emissions won't go down.

This government does seem to struggle a bit with the idea that the U.K. is connected to the rest of the world.

Oh Rafa. I think you misunderstood what "taking back control" and "sovereignty" meant. It means 🖕to the rest of the world. Love GREAT Britain 🇬🇧

Sorry. The article about environmental standards has made me really cross. Fucking Tories and fucking Brexit.

Port Talbot Steel works has been on the brink since before Nigel Lawson wrote his first "global warming is an anti-capitalist plot, don't believe a word of it, it's just weather" article. Years and years. Well long enough for a cleaner, greener solution to be devised if the will had existed. But it didn't.

I can’t be the only person who 1st thought was ‘hang on the DT are employing Rachel Johnson as their new sex columnist.’

Predictably she’s recommending lying back and thinking of England. 🤮

Article from September, the warnings were there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66819458

The Johnson's are just desperate to stay relevant (and for money)